The Pet Quality Pup Issue Again? - Page 5

JRT you might check with Iris Anderson on that I did not ask Rinus anything but Ms Anderson did in fact he had the dog and was listed as co owner  at one time so  he could title the dog for her in Belgium so call him or Iris .I would have rather  had the dog carry my kennel name of course this was not my choice but the owner of the dog. I do know he gave his permission so take this up with him. If you want me to give you her number email me privately or call your Rinus he has her number I am sure.  That kennel name does not appeal to me that would be obvious I prefer mine. Anything else you need my email is wigginsk9@aol.com and phone is 334 624 7413 

Marlene

I'm curious, why didn't you tell the woman she had to go with your kennel name?

She would have been better off going with Zena Vom Superman -Kokeltal

Do Right

I think one of the problems is the close line breeding the small gene pool that is causing so much problems with the bloodlines today with shepherds. It cannot be good for so many dogs who have close common dogs on both sire and dams. I prefer outcrosses in my breeding program.

Marlene

Lorenzo ...I dont tell anyone what he/she can name their dogs I suggest and give my permission for VOM Alk but the choice is left with them.  As explained above the lady got to be friends with Rinus after she got her puppy  from me and wanted him titled by Rinus and she talked  over the naming of Thor  with him if you  to are so concerned I can  also give your Iris's number as well and I think you have kennel Dalenberghuttes number.   Thank you for your suggestions.   Marlene

Puputz...

Hell yes!

Puputz,   Absolutely Correct !!!   a Good family dog MUST have Stable, Solid Nerves, and EXCELLENT Temperament !!   Excellent Comment !!

P59 

GSD's are NOT a" working" breed,  they are in fact a  "herding" breed,  NOW before you misunderstand me,  Please know I do realize that Herding is more of a job than most of us care to take on....   So not a hit there I promise. 

again I'll say I do not intend to offend anyone...  :-)

puputz:  I agree one hundred percent that is what everyone wants.  I can not imagine anyone wanting otherwise, buyer or seller.  However, we have all read (and some have personal experience) of purchasing pups that were not anywhere close to what you have described.  Out of top rated, trialed and tested dogs.  So, what would you do, if you got a pup from last years VA1 and a V rated female, and the pup was timid, etc?  Return it for another with the suggestion to the VA1 owner, to not breed his dog anymore as it produces bad pups?

Point is, as has been said on this site about a trillion (a slight exageration) time, pups are a crap shoot, at best.  Then there are the environmental factors.  You could get an excellent pup but have a rotten kid in your household, that could ruin the pup, or another older dog in your household that could also ruin the pup.  Yet, the breeder/seller would be held responsible, not you or your family.  This now turns towards the thread about "re-homing" and/or "returning" unsatisfactory pups.

Funny story that just happened today:

I was asleep and I heard my phone answering machine "talking".  A lady that I do not know, and whom I do not know how she got my number (family or friends gave it to her I guess).  Left me a message that she understands that I have a male "stud" German Shepherd, and she stated that she has a female in heat, and would need to be bred this Friday or Saturday, so could I please call her soon.  She then left her number.

My immediate reaction was like most (most likely all) of you here.  What a loser.  But then I thought about it because of the arguments that I have made here in the past (and now) about the "it's not so bad to breed for quality family companions".  I have to admit, that phone call sent a slight shudder through me, as to the carelessness and calousness of her "request", concerning our breed.  No questions as to lineage, working or showlines (she may have been told that though, from whomever gave her the phone number), faults, traits of my dog, good or bad, just "hurry", was the actual message.

I believe, no, I know, that planned breedings of family companion dogs can and do occur, without falling under the umbrella of "Back Yard Breeding", but that also there diffinitely are BYB's out there.  They can not be stopped, at least not in America, so that is a moot point.

I know that I am going to breed my dogs, and I have started with good bloodlines, good care and training, good healthy dogs that have passed OFA, and I have planned and worked towards this "event" for almost three years.  My first ever litter of GSD's.  My litter will not be a "whim" nor a money making scheme.  I expect to lose money actually, and I am one of those rare people that doesn't give a hoot about money.  Never did (probably why my wife says I am too "nice", but I think she means that she married a loser with no drives ).  I am amazed that she did not "re-home" me years ago.  I expect to keep some of my litter, and get the best homes I can for the rest.  I will see how they turn out before I breed again, if I do again.  I have another female with very good lines (out of Qurin Hochmoor) that I will not breed as she did not pass OFA.

Does this make me a monster in the GSD world?

I doubt anyone is offended, just sick of stupid! Nobody should breed for pets, pets are the duds of a working litter. We get plenty of those on accident. What is a pet dog anyway? A dog with less energy, less drive not good enough conformation for show or not put together enough for a full time job at work. Yea...I wanna breed me some of those on purpose.

"Breeders" by this I mean "real" breeders who breed to preserve a breed, breed for traits that make the breed what it is. It must be able to accomplish it's roll, what it was bred for in the first place. Pet dogs come  from these peopel as well, that one or 2 pups in the litter that don't cut the mustard. They used to be culled, now they are given away to friends or sold at a lower price. Along came the wannabe breeder who got his free pup and thougt throwing 2 together would produce the same as his friends dogs do. Then these inferior dogs get placed and their owners do teh same, on and on. Pets pets pets, there is no shortage of these dogs.

If the original breeders could have altered the pet dogs, we wouldn't be so inendated with pets. We can't blame them though for not having the forsight to know what his fellow neighbor would do for esteem or money. We would be OK if the real breeders were the only ones still handing out pets. This is why I support the limited registration on all pups.

Those who can't breed quality, breed pets!

DO right you are not a monster!  Some regulars on here have kennels and never have even produced a dog/puppy that has been titled under their kennel and yet they are jumping feet first in to someone else telling them what to do. I am like you I do what I want and if you dont like it dont buy here so simple. They feel the need to bring to attention the naming of the dogs etc which I have explained over and over again It is not a requirement from me that you name the dog what I think it is your choice. I have a chuckle out of it they are so worried about me it is good for my ego. If I was them I would try and do some good breeding to show me up. Have not seen anything yet still waiting not one dog I know of please correct me if one even has a BH from their kennels breeding. Does not mean anything  no not to me but if you are slinging the mud at someone else you need to have at least done as well as the person who you thowing the mud at.  I started out a backyard breeder and have worked hard and learned a lot through out the years and still learn something new every day . The people who think they are all of this and that as breeders usually do not get on a board and bash someone they dont need to. 

Marlene