Unbelievable - Page 5

QUOTE:  If Tino is such a bad dog, why would 2 different breeders have used him for studding?

My initial answer would be because they are blooming ASSHOLES and just went out to make a quick buck.  But to add to that I'd have to ask, if Tino was such a GOOD dog then why did 2 different breeders sell him and why was he only worth $1,000 to them.

Shandra have you checked out what QUALITY adult dogs are going for??  NO ONE is gonna sell a quality dog that is suitable for breeding for a grand.

You're getting pumbled here because it does come off as though you are intending to continue breeding him.  Yes it is your business but please if that is what you are going to do despite the fact you know it's wrong then keep it to yourself and just don't ask for anyone's honest input. I could see if Tino was a great dog, sound temperment, stable nerves, great family dog....I think you'd even get a little less grief on the breeding depite the fact he's not titled IF he had everything going but the title.  But he doesn't.  The pedigree itself does not make the dog and the titles alone do not make the dog- THEY GO HAND IN HAND in order to get the total package.  You can't expect a warm and fuzzy response when you initially come here telling us your dog is a nerve bag and your apprehensive with him being aggressive with your son, then go on to tell us he has a litter coming-you acknowledged it was a "oops" we let that one slide and chalked it up to ignorance and not getting the proper advice to you sooner, then you post a thread about a kennel name- now we're all wondering HMMM...now why would she need a kennel name or need to think of one if she doesn't even have 2 appropriate dogs to breed?  Then we hear about the man calling you about a male and instead of you regaining some face on here and credibility you don't tell the man "I don't have anything but puppies", but you tell him Tino's stud fee???  And you expected to get a good reaction from the board??  I'm sorry, I know we can be harsh at times and even times when it's not necessary but this time my dear you asked for it.  At this point I'd tell you to sell the pups, hopefully to good homes and with the grace of god they work out to be decent pets- neuter and sell your nerve bag, spay the females you have and love them for what they are and go get yourself A REAL DOG.  If you don't have the money or you're not willing to make the investment then DON"T BITCH and complain that you got "ripped off", "taken advantage of" or got sold a junk dog.  People who own nice dogs get their worth and people who stud good dogs don't ask a few hundred dollars.  You have found a good place to gain the resources to prepare for future goals but you choose to get defensive, remain stubborn and do what you want anyways.  No one is telling you don't ever breed...just not with the dogs you want to breed with.

THE PERSON WHO DID HIS WEB HAS STATED HE HAS MORE SICK DOGS THAN YOU CAN SHAKE A STICK AT    HE OWES HER MONEY.......HE LIED TO ME    HE THREW MY CONTRACT IN THE GARBAGE   TOOK MY NAME OFF THE AKC REGISTRATION AND NOW HE HAS PENDING CHARGES OF THEFT OF TWO PUPS HE NEVER PAID A MAN AND LADY IN SOUTH TEXAS FOR, AND HE HAS A MAN IN LONGVIEW LOOKING FOR HIM ALSO....TOOK HIS MONEY AND NEVER CAME BACK   CAME TO MY PLACE THREE YEARS AGO AND TOLD ME HE AND GERMELHAUS WERE DOING BUSINESS,.,......TOGETHER ....I WOULDNT SELL HIM A DOG....CALLED GERMELHAUS AND GOT THE LOW DOWN.............

HE CAUGHT ME THIS TIME AFTER I TOOK HIS DEPOSITS, AND HE BACKED OUT OF BUYING MY FEMALE OF MICHAELS, THEN MY BITCH DIDNT TAKE AND HIS FRIEND  OWNS  :    TWORIVERS KENNEL IN LUFKIN , AND THAT IS WHERE JEREMIAH IS NOW.....ITS ON HIS WEBSITE...

JEREMIAH  IS SUPPOSE TO BE    TRIPL'H JEREMIAH VOM VIELENBACHE , HE ERASED THE NAME OFF MY AKC PAPERS..AND TOLD ME TO GET LOST....HE SAID HE WOULD DO WITH THE PUP ANY THING HE WANT ED TO......AND HE AND THE REV. WANTED THEIR DEPOSITS (NO-REFUNDABLE) FOR ANY REASON......BACK AND AFTER HE WENT ON THE DATABASE AND PUT MY INFO UP , WRONG , AND USED MY NAME ON A DOG HE NEVER GOT......I HAVE COPIES OF....THEN SAID HE WAS SELLING THE PUP....HE IS DOING RAG AND SLEEVE WORK    YOU CAN SEE IT ON HIS WEB....SHANDRA    RUN WITH ALL OF YOUR LIFE........I CAN GIVE YOU THE PHONE NUMBERS OF THESE PEOPLE.....YOU CAN CHOOSE TO BELIEVE  SCH111FH11 AND ME OR TURN A DEAF EAR....WHEN I HEARD YOUR STORY THE POST BEFORE GARD JUMPED ON YOU.,,,,,20 MILES UP THE ROAD      AND THE DISCRIPTION OF TWO BREEDERS SAID AND HE DOES SCHU , PPD AND SO ON,,,,THE FIRST THING I THOUGTHT   ,,,SOUNDS LIKE ........

THAT IS WHY I ASK YOU WHERE YOU LIVED AND WHAT SHOP AND GIVE A NAME   I KNEW IT SOUNDED JUST LIKE HIM...........IN CASE HES READING THIS....

HE EMAILED ME ,,,,I HAVE DECIDED NOT TO RESELL YOU JEREMIAH AT THIS TIME.....

WELL,,,,, I HAVE DECIDED NOT TO REFUND YOU OR THE REV YOUR DEPOSIT , WHICH WAS NON REFUNDABLE, AND YOU SIGNED A CONTRACT,AND SO DID THE REV..  YOU RENIGGED ON THE FEMALE ,   CANCELS THAT ONE,  AND THE OTHER DIDNT TAKE  ....YOU DISHONORED MY CONTRACT, WHICH I AM NOT THROUGH WITH YOU YET...THE DAY THAT JEREMIAH GETS SIGNED OVER TO SOMEONE ELSE WITHOUT MY PERMISSION,,,,I WILL FILE ON YOU IN THE COURT OF LAW ALONG WITH THE COUPLE FROM SOUTH TEXAS.....AND ALONG WITH ME WILL COME YOUR CLIENT FROM LONGVIEW.....AND YOUR WEBMISTRESS    ........

THEY BOTH CAME ON MY PROPERTY NEVER TELLING ME THEY WERE IN THIS CHANGE OUR MINDS FROM ONE DAY TO THE NEXT....DONT WANT THE FEMALE AND I DONT WANT THE FEMALE I PAID ON EITHER...PUT THE MONEY BACK ON BEAR AND ROSIE.....HELL NO  I WONT.....YOU RENIGGED AND THAT A CANCELATION OF THAT CONTRACT......BOY AM I MAD NOW    SHANDRA......NOW YOU KNOW WHAT THE DOG WORLD IS MADE OUT OF............

BTW    THERE ARE FIVE PEOPLE WATCHING HIS WEB AND YESTERDAY I DISCOVERD HE HAS AN ANNOUNCEMENT ON IT      VIELENBACHE KENNELS IS NO LONGER BREEDING GERMAN SHEPHERDS.....THEY ARE NOW AT   TWORIVERS KENNEL AND GIVES THE WEB ADDRESS TO CONTACT THE REV....

JEREMIAH'S PIC IS ON THERE AS BIG AS YOU PLEASE.....CHECK IT OUT...THATS THE BABY  I SOLD HIM     ........

SHANDRA     I WILL SAY NO MORE.......STAY THE CONFOUNDED AWAY FROM THAT MAN...........THE AMERICAN K9 ACADEMY HE CLAIMS IS HIS .....WHEN YOU FIND IT LET ME KNOW....

THANKS   SCH111FH11......I THINK I KNOW WHO YOU ARE.....  DO YOU KNOW ADRIAN LEDDA..??? OF COURSE YOU DO.....I CANT THINK OF ANOTHER WAY TO TELL ME IF I THINK WHO YOU ARE......DID I EMAIL YOU SUNDAY AND SATURDAY......?

I have had, or heard of that same conversation just about all my life.

I know Jeff and it is a shame , but it wil continue till the end of time......I goofed for one obvious reason, I told him on phone I had a pup available....come look at it....he then identified himself....couldnt say    I cant sell it to you ....didnt have a reason at that moment not too...didnt know about south Texas and Longview and Dallas.....but I do  now...and then there is     SHANDRA????

Agar     You described them to a T

"If you don't have the money or you're not willing to make the investment then DON"T BITCH and complain that you got "ripped off", "taken advantage of" or got sold a junk dog."   Agar, I have NEVER, not 1 time, claimed to have been ripped off, cheated, taken advantage of or sold a junk dog. Not once so lets get that clear straight up. I have a dog that I got without doing the research or asking the questions I should have known to ask. I do not place blame anywhere but with myself for not being thourough. I only get defensive when I get the same thing shoved down my throat and rubbed in my face time after time. Hell, you folks dont correct a dog that harshly or that many times for the same incident. and no I did not check the costs of a quality stud before hand. To me, a grand is an outrageous price for a dog, That is until I came here and started learning. Now I know different.

Yellowrose, Thank you for the information I had no idea thats what its like. I owe the Rev a puppy then that will be the end of my dealings there. As much as I hate to send a pup to him, A deal was made. If I make a deal I stick to it. Its called honor and integrity. I value mine. Tino's call name was Rex, you may have seen it on his website.

I could care less what the REV Web page says,,,,,,he signe d a contract with me on a pup not born and when he and  dipshit picked up the Jeremiah pup at the courthouse in Rusk,  he looked at me and said I dont wnat a bear pup, I just lost a litter of shepherds, they died and we dont know why???????? and TROY LOST A LITTER OF DOBERMANS TO A SKIN DISEASE AND WE DONT KNOW WHAT IT WAS....?   yIKES  

Troy looks aat me and says   I dont want Crissy,,,I have too many expenses and lost those pups and cant sell the others yet....just take Jeremiah....put deposit on this pup,,,,and ill get the other pup my money is on , when that dog births....that dog didnt birth   so I transferred money..to another and she didnt take either....

Rev put his deposit on a female already born.....two days before pic up calls and says   I changed my mind,,,Troy likes Jeremiah and I want a male out of Bear after all.....A friend of mine was there, who is owner of one of my pups, and he took phone out of my hand and told Rev.that he was looking at a Bear pup on the ground at my house..,,just repossessed and he was awesome....I said Id talk to hm later...

Then the  saga started over the  name change by contract and on the database and his telling me my contract was no good and he didnt care what it said         Trash in his books......dated and signe d  and both of them had a contract   non refundable deposit  no matter what the reason,,,....and read the thread back in May of this year....He took Jeremiah April 24 and put him up for sale without my permission per my contract , as I knew he was breeding him , i allowed him that right.,, and shouldnt havae.....I , in his face and Rev...said   you cannot resell this pup...oH Im not ,,,hes for me.....three week s later on Puppyfind.com.....and he erased the name filled out by me on th akc app and on his contract says    any attempt to erase or remove the name will result in seller takeing legal action against you.......he told me kd9ejaooroqoixxxchchhiojwuiodfo1111111734634794twu372oi qheaut9qwar oawj0awfm[

then the two havae emailed me and keep asking for their money deposit back....././They both renigged on a legal contract , and refused to take the dog they paid on so they can put the emails in the trash.....I nicely switched one for each of them and then the lies and the nasty  I will do what I want with the pup,,,you dont know what you are doing  ,,,,,,,you line breed and that is insest...the Rev said to me....He better take a look at all the Uran v Wildsteigerland pedigrees and all the Arminius pedigrees in the Usa and see how much line breeding is done,...end of subject...

Yoou do what you want ...if they dont have to be honest with people , I gues you do.....I have a reference lilst a mile long and am known from Gal to Chicago for my rreputation so go ahead and help the dishonest and the ones that are bringing the breed down...

They werent honest with you..and I guess you will run right over and telll them what we all said.......fine go ahead ,,,,half of Texas knows about them and now I do , too,,,,

holy cow yellow! where did you get the idea that I would "Run right over" I do not know these people other than a few brief communications about the dogs.I am not challenging your reputation or integrity! If I were to not deliver what I said I would, wouldnt that ruin my credibility and put me in the same light as them?

You could never get that low ...It would take you a lot of years to get there....U do what is right....for You