The decline of the German Shepherd character - Page 49

^ what?

you saying you don't have to look like this to get a prey dog to bite?????

geeez i wish someone would have mentioned that earlier, all those nights on the field,  the entire club laughing at me....

lol..only if he is running.

IM not saying a dog in pray drive wont look the part and do the job most of the time. But I tell you one thing sooner or later whent the persure is very intence your dogs pray drive will run out and without real fight drive he will be overcome . i have been a boxer for 15 years and now im a traner in a club u see kids come in and soon build good skils and are very good to looka at .But then a fighter comes to the club skills are low not good to look at but has that killer instinct the apslute fight drive most the time trained skills is not enoff natural fight and pray drive the hole package .genetics dont lie. that why i said i an early post titles are not the be all

Dogs are not kids, comparing the two is pointless.

If the nerves are good and he has intense prey it is not going to "run" out.  Your confusing dogs with a shaky nerve base and lots of prey that will bite but fall apart under sufficient pressure to a dog which views the human as prey and does not have weak nerves.  Such a dog is next to impossible to push into defence and will hold on no matter what you do to him.

Look at the video's I showed earlier, a defensive dog would have fallen apart and been long gone under that type of pressure.  Its a proven concept and it is being used in the field.  They want crazy drive and strong environmental nerves nothing less will do.

Haz, what do you think will happen with the dogs in your videos if the decoy looses the suit while the dog is still on it, do you think they will drop the suit and bite the decoy or stay on the suit  on the floor ?

i seen a video a while ago by a member u know who you are i wont name incase im wrong in the name dog went into an allyway decoy waiting dog got aggressive bit the decoy wereing the sleeve very impressive until the decoy let him have the sleeve. Dog ran off with  it all foucus was on the sleeve decoy had pleanty of ime to assulat the handler if that s the type of dog you want that wont let go you wounder why theirs a decline of gsd .what happenes if their is 2 or mayby 3 people what are you going to do when your dg wont let go maybe you should bring 2 or 3 dog with you  adog should be able to fight many people when he bites and an other aggresser at tacks the dog should let go and imeditaly confront the new threat. That the type of dog i want. The prise is the fight what your talking about is exibition thats what judges that is  want to see your slating other people on this site for having dog that comform to what looks good when all the time your working your dog on a drive and not the nerve of the dog .I hope you never need your dog in real time. Because as i said youbetter be a good fighter u will have to protect your dog

Duke, it depends on the dogs training. Equipment orientation is a training problem, personally based on the reputation of Mike I would assume he wouldnt be selling anything other then the real deal.  If nerves and drive is there they can be brought to bite anything.

That GSD I posted earlier I had biting me in the suit.  Very serious dog he tries to bite you under the suit not just pull on the fabric.  Hey enjoys hurting and submitting you when you fight him.  Sometimes we finished with me on the ground under him sometimes we finish with a suit slip.  Any doubt that he was the real deal?  You know dogs and have some nice looking ones, you can train the good ones to do anything.  Carry the suit / sleeve or spit it out and come again.

i question this if the decoy dropped the sleeve would the dog bite scenario, my guess if it happened to a well trained IPO dog, then the dog should have no motivation to bite the man unless the dog was unstable.

this does not mean the same dog could not be trained to bite the man, most highly trained sport dog are not expected to bite people, doesn't mean they won't if they are trained to.

i think it is a stupid argument, dog sports are not about biting people, does not follow same dogs won't if trained to do so, in fact if they excell at bite sports they are usually excellent candidates for moving on to civil work.

if you want a dog to bite people on command then that is a different training so please stop making the dumb argument abouty dropping the sleeve.

In real live it´s mostly about temperament, nerves, hardness, motivation - less about prey or civil.
I like balanced dogs, I love real dogs, but a prey oriented well trained steady dog is no fun to deal with, too.
Without heart both are worthless.

saying a good IPO will not bite the decoy if the sleeve was dropped is like saying  gold medal olympic marksman is deficient cos he faultered when given an AK-47 and told to storm a dug in enemy on a beach-head, the whole idea is ridiculous without specific training for each task.