The GSD must SPLIT away from The Alsation! - Page 41

Then I guess you failed to see the last photograph the KC decided to inflict on us?
 
You have a rather romantic notion of our KC... if they had taken any interest in our breed, they would NOT have inflicted the previous photograph on us... only much outrage forced them to remove it.  The KC is interested in MONEY... that's all, they have no interest in the betterment / improvement / health of our or any other breed.

No offence intended, but I think you need to relax a little... about Max.

Hi Mackenzie

You stated...

Another point to consider is what will happen if another group of people  come along and breed to another variation of the breed?   Will there be another split?   How many splits can the breed take?

It has worked in other breeds as SueB has pointed out and I am sure that if a further "type" is developed in the UK - then the KC wouldnt look favourably on it - however, when two totally differing dogs are supposed to win in the same ring..... something needs to be done, without detrament to the K.C. or their pocket.  Seperation of the GSD/Alsatian is the answer.

and you state...

Breeds should not be split just because a group of people cannot breed to the correct standard, or, do not want to.

People in favour of this seperation of the two types are working on much more than that. 

.   we are continuing at present under a cloak of a breed standard which does not have a type to exhibit - a set of exhibitors who cannot see eye to eye because they favour the two very different types of animal - the public are totally confused with the KC having given us even two names, even on pedigree`s - the two types meet regularly at certain shows and animosity is built up from the judging, which will usually be one type or the other and by the end of the day, all having paid the same fee with some quickly realising that their particular animal has not a cat in hells chance of a placing... and so it goes on....  
Two breeds - GSD and Alsatian - no losers - KC remain in "charge" and have the same funds from us, we know what we are and will not expect to be insulted by fellow exhibitors at the same ringside due to a differing type......
Mo - Mascani

 Well stated Mo:

Just to jump in here.

The breed was named Deutscher Schäferhund by Von Stephanitz, literally translating to "German Shepherd Dog". The breed was so named due its original purpose of assisting shepherds in herding and protecting sheep. At the time, all other herding dogs in Germany were referred to by this name they thus became known as Altdeutsche Schäferhunde or Old German Shepherd Dogs. Shepherds were first exported to Britain in 1908, and the UK Kennel Club began to recognise the breed in 1919.

The direct translation of the name was adopted for use in the official breed registry; however, at the conclusion of World War I, it was believed that the inclusion of the word "German" would harm the breed's popularity, due to the anti-German sentiment of the era.The breed was officially renamed by the UK Kennel Club to "Alsatian Wolf Dog" which was also adopted by many other international kennel clubs. Eventually the appendage "wolf dog" was dropped.The name Alsatian ( Named after the German-French border, Alsace-Lorraine) remained for five decades, until 1977, when successful campaigns by dog enthusiasts pressured the British kennel clubs to allow the breed to be registered again as German Shepherd Dogs.

I think Spike has some very good and realistic points, i would go bach=k to my original suggestion

The German Shepherd should have its own BREED club who controlls registrations and which runs alongside the KC like the Border Collie Club
Then a criteria of physical and mental health schemes should be mandatory for a first class registration any thing that does not fall into the first class is still a pedigree but with a lower status of registration

Hello Mo-Mascani

Thank you for your comments.

To respond to your first point and with all due respect to the other breeds that have divided they come from groups of people akin to KC thinking.   The majority of our breed are more akin to the worldwide idea as set down by the WUSV and SV, therefore there will probably always be a culture clash.  As to the future division of a breed the KC has already set precedents for these divisions and, therfore, if the KC allow the first division of our breed they will put themselves in a difficult position if further divisions are put forward i.e. a new breed for whites, a new breed for long coats because of precedents that they have themselves set.

The second point that you make regarding the shows is simple to  resolve.  All it needs on the part of the exhibitors is a little common sense.  If you are an exhibitor from our side of the fence then you must ask yourself "why do I want to show my dogs under a judge from the other side, or, an all rounder".  One way or another it is a waste of money, time and emotion.   I understand that people want to show the results of their efforts and sitting at home on show days sets on wishful thinking.   In 1977 I almost gave up my interest in the breed because of the English side and All Rounders judging and the state of the shows with mixed interests just as you describe in your response to my last post.

I also think that at this time it is not good to press the KC on this subject because they may see the move as support for the problems created by the BBC and the withdrawal of major sponsors for their flagship show.  I am sure that they will dig in.

Kind regards

Mackenzie

All it needs on the part of the exhibitors is a little common sense.  If you are an exhibitor from our side of the fence then you must ask yourself "why do I want to show my dogs under a judge from the other side, or, an all rounder".  One way or another it is a waste of money, time and emotion. 

I rarely show and as a result often dont know which judge to enter under, also there are some judges who I knew were "English" and have changed their views and now judge "germanic" there are also some middle of the road judges who are more germanic in their taste and all of this makes it extremely difficult to enter shows.  So yes common sense is needed along with a crystal ball so you can understand whether they've changed sides etc.

Hello Liebe

Thank you for your response to my post.

Knowing exactly which Judge to show under isdifficult if you are new to the breed, or, you do  not show reguarly.  However, it will help you if you can identify an experienced exhibitor who will provide you with information as to which side of the fence judges sit.  You will also get an idea from the results published in Our Dogs etc.   Sometimes it is worth going to a show just to watch and form your own opinion.  Just remember that the winners will be delighted with the Judge and the losers not so much.   Bear this in mind when talking to people.

Kind regards

Mackenzie

Watcher says...

it was believed that the inclusion of the word "German" would harm the breed's popularity, due to the anti-German sentiment of the era.The breed was officially renamed by the UK Kennel Club to "Alsatian Wolf Dog"

^{Yep - well, there you go then, more reason for the total seperation -the world has become a much smaller place since world war 1 and the anti-German feeling... thank God.... and if the name was officially renamed by the KC for those reasons - well they no longer exist do they, and some exhibitors in the UK  are recognised as much in Germany as in the UK with their dogs, even having kennels in both countries.....so what does that make them... Alsatians or GSD`s - for some of us, the SV would ponder at the thought of an Alsatian being their chosen breed name.  Mo}