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by darylehret on 13 October 2010 - 18:10
If you want an attractive workingline dog, I would instead suggest going to a workingline breeder that consistently produces attractive workingdogs. Kennels Salztalblick or Salztal-Höhe might be a good choice.
You can't "water-up" those showlines to make them worth anymore than a mediocre-blah-workingdog, anyway. Is it the saddlebacked black & tan coat what you can't give up? What is it you fear to lose, really?! Just trash those lines, and convert to the true german shepherd, the "last of a dying breed", or get the hell out of the way.
Twenty pages now, and not one good point in the argument ":for" sealing the rift between working and show. After all, the thing that separates us, if you recall, is where your priorities lie. And the people that helped make showlines such a disaster, want to make their mark on the rest of the breed? Hasn't enough damage been caused?
by charlie319 on 13 October 2010 - 20:10
by Preston on 13 October 2010 - 20:10
There is always a chance that a WL superstar could emerge that could bridge the gap of WL back closer to the standard for structure and movement. This would be a fortunate break for the breed, maybe a other top producer like Frei Gugge who was a sensation GSD in all manner and was a prepotent sire of deep quality.
I know that if I was breeding GSDs, I would use Ellute Mohnweise and his sons in my breeding program. There are others which can if bered correctly produce superb working temperament and good overall conformation.
In the meantime, one can only hope that breeders, both WL and SL dedicate themselves to attempting to move as close to the standard as they can without destroying their chances of placing at least moderately high in the sport they are in. As long as there is a bifurcation of the GSD sport into zuchtschau and profung you will necessarily see a bifurcation of the breed in these two somewhat divergent directions, which itself is a bypraoduct of the inctredible levels of competition one ses in these two separate GSD SV dog sports.
by Jeff Oehlsen on 13 October 2010 - 21:10
I don't see anything wrong with their conformation. Are you saying that they should look more like an incorrect show line dog ? How many have actually worked their showlines in ring or something other than goofy Sch ? I look at their structure, and the few dogs that have that conformation that had some juice broke down. Their heart wouldn't let them quit, but their body structure failed them miserably.
The working line structure is the correct structure. How hard is that to understand ? It is the structure that has held up to the stress of the work, which is what the breed is about.
All I hear is speculation on the part of the show line stuff. This needs to be this way for that, bla bla bla, but no actual experience.
I put some of these showlines on a bungee, and lets see how fast their backs go out. It will be like an experiment.
by Ibrahim on 13 October 2010 - 21:10
Your words are a treat for the soul, thank you.
Ibrahim
by Felloffher on 14 October 2010 - 00:10
My stud requirements are as follows.
Weak nerves
Narrow skull
HD( I will consider borderline however)
Back must look like a boomerang
Hocks must drag
PM me if you have what I'm looking for.
Thanks
Adam
by Jacko on 14 October 2010 - 02:10
wow, there are some very bitter/ jellous people here. I this thread is sad and funny as hell at the same time.
The bullshit spewed is the same shit that was said years and years ago.
I hope everyone trying to belittle something feels so much better and can now get on with their training day.
by charlie319 on 14 October 2010 - 17:10
by Felloffher on 14 October 2010 - 17:10
Is the confirmation of all W/L's that far away from the standard look of the old dogs you speak of? Can you find an example of a good W/L and post it along with the perfect example of a S/L? I keep looking at the dogs from the 40's, 50's, 60's and find most (not all)resemble modern W/L dogs more than S/L. Again you keep making this same argument about finding a top notch S/L to breed to a W/L for balance. I guarantee you will find several working dogs that meet your ideal confirmation with out the need for a cross. It seems to me that this ideal shepherd you have in mind is a theory and has no real substance behind it. Please feel free to prove me wrong, I would love to see the examples.
by Ibrahim on 14 October 2010 - 18:10
The founder of the GSD and his fellow friends put down a standard for the GSD they wished the future GSD will fulfill (reach) one day by selective breeding of the foundation dogs at the time and their offspring in future.
If the above is correct then no one can claim that dogs from 60, 70s etc had the right anatomy or better anatomy of today, one can claim that character, temperament, working ability etc was better but not the structure and anatomy.
And I am not saying either the anatomy today is better or worse. Some work breeders claim that the dogs they produce at present are as good if not better than those in the 50s ... 60s etc and tell you what I do believe one of of those breeders who say this.
Ibrahim
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