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by Prager on 11 May 2016 - 20:05
Ibrahim there is no "bulshit" in what I or Gustav are saying. Take it or leave it.

by Prager on 11 May 2016 - 20:05
Prager Hans
by joanro on 11 May 2016 - 20:05
BTW, Furo was his sire, not grandsire :-)
by Ibrahim on 11 May 2016 - 21:05
Prager,
Maybe I wasn't clear, I am protesting against some guys who think old timers tell bullshit, sorry if I wasn't clear. I would never be unkind to Gustav, or impolite to such a sincere guy

by Prager on 11 May 2016 - 21:05
Joan Sounds like a gangster dog and I am sure you used him correctly in your breeding rogram. I though that this was his pedigree. :
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1967040-otto-vom-ron

by Prager on 11 May 2016 - 21:05
Ibrahim I am sorry I misunderstood. it did not sound right. :)
Sorry. Hans
by Ibrahim on 11 May 2016 - 21:05
by joanro on 11 May 2016 - 21:05
The 'gangster' is Otto's grand sire Body, who I raised from eight weeks old, trained and titled.(from jipo-me)

by Kinolog on 18 May 2016 - 03:05
A dog of a certain type simply scares most reasonable people because they know it has been treated poorly, not had certain needs met, will attack without provocation, and that the owner must use brute force in order to control it. Such a dog, along with being kept as a guard dog for a drug or cash stash, might make up for the owner having an empty nut sack.
Someone else mentioned the rather disturbing practice of crossing a fighting type of mastiff with a breed such as an Am Staff or an APBT - as if these dogs need to be made bigger and uglier. I have seen such dogs coming out of nearby bigger cities. A couple of gangster types were running these monstrosities in a local park, probably looking to expand their customer base. Local gangsta dogs come from the pound, backyard breeders, or abandoned in the Birge Pond area. Cheap is great. Free is perect.

by Hundmutter on 18 May 2016 - 05:05
the UK ! [Where's Birge Pond located, so we can avoid it !?!]
Although I no longer live in London, this production of 'gangster'
and 'Ban' dogs was - still is - common, especially in those rougher
areas where there was a concentration of drug-dealing, crack houses
when crack was still the main thing, and the storage of crime proceeds
that are linked, inevitably, with those activities. There is also a link,
going back a little further, to the horrible reputation Rottweilers got,
since they too were being used (and abused) as 'front doorstep blockers'.
I have to point out that in a lifetime of contacts with GSD fans including
those in the LE/sports/working arena, I had never come across anyone
talking seriously about "gangster" GSDs, or Maligators, - however you
want to spell it, - before Hans raised this topic.
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