Italian sired Import , now AKC CHAMPION !!! - Page 4

Any clue why the CA breeders are more apt to use German dogs? Fury is a very nice looking dog. Do the Canadian showline breeders title their dogs in IPO?

AKC and CKC are finally getting hit where it hurts: the pocketbook!  Registrations at shows are way, way down, and there are very few new people taking up breeding as a past-time. German SV style shows, however, are increasing in popularity. That, and other factors (such as the influence of people like Goldfarb and Gleason) has helped bring about change.

SS we are going to try to have an SV show this year, our first in 2,3 years. This is the Wesley Chapel Total Dog Training Club founded by Helen. We have been thinking about how we can make it a little "different" and more interesting taking some ideas from AKC shows and matches. We are thinking about a puppy sweeps, maybe junior handling, maybe jr handling classes, games for the puppies, fun stuff like that. I don't know yet if it will happen or if we can even get enough help to do it all.

The first time I went to an SV show I was shocked to see how cut and dried everything was. Younger puppies than at the AKC shows, but in the ring and out. No fun activities for them as we always did at AKC matches and more recently point shows. I think GSL and ASLbreeders can learn a lot from each other.

Blitzen, NO clue as to why.  WhenI first became involved with CKC with Star, I really couldn't see a difference between CKC showlines and AKC. Maybe I was just too inexperienced to notice?  But many good show dogs were dual titled in both AKC and CKC shows. (Many of them by Jimmy, because he began his show career in Canada, due to a lower age limit for handlers!)

Anyway, now German dogs seem to be popping up everywhere. But I don't see American dogs being used in IPO. I'm the only one I know who has a GSL/ASL mix, and there's another guy in our club who has a GSD pound puppy, who looks a bit like old Rin Tin Tin lines from the '60s. He may not be purebred, though.

Yes, I think we can learn a lot from each other, too! 

Bill Collins had a german dog earn a championship that I believe went V-1 in Germany and was a Canto v.d. Wienerau son.  I believe V-A Bodo Lierburg and V-A Kai von Silberbrand did also. I remember the dog my old cigar-smoking friend, Don Kille, showed and finished that came out of East Germany also.

Actually, Jim was used by a LOT of ASL breeders...  but he didn't have much of a chance of improving the over-bred Lance-a-lot-lines nervy temperaments... and nobody back then would do any tight linebreeding and culling, so the impact he had was minimal.

Dr. Graves bred Obba to Jim, and had a pretty nice litter, but his prices were nuts, even back then.

He was a neat old guy..I enjoyed talking with him. I am guessing he's passed on now?

While his kennel name might be gone, his lines are still out there. I'm up to my 6th generation homebred dog decended from both his and Mary Coppage's early dogs.

I also admire him for his insight, and his willingness to do what he believed was RIGHT, and NOT follow the cows.

Don Kille is another I'd love to meet.. and interview...cigars and all!!

I have video someplace of Obba, Dirk, Degen, Jasmine, and maybe Jim..  have to dig it out of some box and digitize it.

Oh, and I finally DID find my video of "lift-off".. BZCZ...   if you want to see it...you never responded.

Dirk von der Trommel

Good info, DenWolf and Richard. Thanks.

Richard, I  and many other students of GSD history regard the year Bodo was imported as the watershed year in the split between the SV and AKC. That was the year Lance went GV, and Bodo couldn't do better than Select. Not many people wanted to breed to him, either (Trommel was one kennel that did.) They were all jumping aboard the Lance bandwagon, and we all know how THAT turned out!   

Any dog that was schutzhund titled or breed surveyed before that year really doesn't count, as it wasn't all that unusuall back then. Ten or fifteen years later, though...

What year did AKC take its stand against schutzhund?

DenWolf, Dirk was certainly a magnificent dog! Can we see pictures of your current dogs, please? PM me if you dont want to post them in public!

http://gsdca.org/GSDReviewed/Ldogs/LanceFranJo.html

I always liked degens looks better.  He was a handsome sable and I liked his offspring better than dirks.  

Blitzen I never care what people think. I do what I believe it's right and I do my best. If I mess up,I own it. And work to avoid repeating the mistake.

If we don't learn from the past, then we are destined to repeat it.

Bee, go ahead and outline what is different this time.

Den, never saw your post about the lift. I'm always up for learning something about dog training. I posted a video of our attempt at a lift off.  It didn't go well. But I also may not have done it right since I don't understand it.