GSDCA sieger show - Page 4

Sunsilver:

Is the dog a V-3 or SG-3 as is reported in the comments on the pedigree link. If it has no working degree (SchH, HGH or IPO), it can not be V rated.

It is a very nice looking dog in any case and I am glad to hear you are showing him successfully.

Richard, go back and reread the dog's qualifications! He is 1P02, AD, CD, CGN and has his TEC (temperament test) The SG was from way back when he was a youngster!

And NOWHERE did I say anything about owning this dog! (I wish....!)

As for that snarky comment in the comments section, Tatoo got his V3 rating at the Ontario Regional Championships in 2013 under SV judge Erich Boesl:

GSSCC 2013 Show results - Ontario Reg.

Handler Dog Placing

Males Working

*Michael Carroll Pato di Zenevredo V1

*Michael Carroll Hunter vom Nordteich V2

Richard Vergolst Tattoo v Team Zellwaldrand V3

Sheila MacLeod Conner vom Bauhofer-Land V4

Sheila MacLeod Yankee von Bullinger V5

Renee Lucescu Yevhen vom Bergblick SG1

Leslie Greenson Garak von Heksterhorst G1

bzcz,

There are multiple breed standards,,,plus there's the interpretation of those standards by the hundreds of judges that are empowered to judge them.

Now tell me, where do you get the authority to decide what people should and should not do with their property?
 

Dog1,

You keep saying.  Show me multiple SV breed standards.  You said that the SV supports multiple standards.  So show us them.

I don't decide.  You bought a GSD.  The breed standard is published.  It requires titling.  The GSD is a working dog. 

I have every right to advocate for following the breed standard.  You can do whatever you want with your dogs.  However, there is no other breed standard other than the FCI. 
 

I won't be deluded into thinking that an ASL is a GSD.  Put the work, put the titles and breed survey on them. 

Otherwise they are not the breed standard.  Not my decision, pure and simple fact.

There was that so hard to understand now?

'm not working line, I'm breed standard and I do show and title our dogs. 

ROTFLOL!!

Sorry. That just hit my funnybone! 

The breed standard is NOT written in stone. Here are 2 German V rated dogs. Do you want explain to me which one is the 'ideal' breed standard?  I know which one I'd pick!

Sunsilver,

Go for it.

Use a professional picture against a candid pic to make your point. 

But have at it. 

The breed standard is written in black and white and it's even in English too!

I can't wait to hear your critiques of the two dogs. (seriously)

The breed standard does not describe an individual dog, as no dog is perfect. The proper interuptation of the standard should designate many breeding partners for the future of the breed. In the SV, if you breed 2 dogs without both having the proper prerequisists you will most likely get offspring, but no SV papers. It would be unAmerican to not allow you to breed your dogs here, in the great USA. Just don't look for approval of every fertile union. I am not a ''agility'' trainer but I marvel at how the dogs preform. I am impressed by the funds raised at match and trials for the hosting organization. The PR is fantastic for all dogs.This sport should never be discouraged, but can the GSD world look to this sport as our test? We have many tests and the SS is the flag ship of the conformation events but not the ultiment breed test. I will argue the same for the national working championship, HGH, FH, RH, or any other vehicle which does not look at the whole dog. Idealisticly

"I will be amazed if the GSDCA has scheduled their sieger show on the same dates as WDA."

Yeah because the 7 people planning to go to NASS will have a big decision to make!  

Now we're back to talking about ASL dogs? Why?  The topic of this thread is the GSDCA Sieger show. ASL breeders  don't give a crap what anyone here thinks of their dogs. I don't know of anyone who owns a 100% ASL who even reads this database anymore.

Bzcz, the one dog annoyed me so much, I actually DID write up a detailed critique, but it's not for sharing publicly. I will send you a PM.

The second picture, is, of course, Falk v.d. Wolfen. His breed survey is published on the database with his pedigree.

Hey take a good look at the SV rules for the SS. Must have a IPO or HGH title prior to being awarded the Excellant rating [ V] A dog must be breed surved to receive V rating after 4 years of age.  Must have an IPO2 or higher title before the VA [ excellant select ] Must have offspring at the SS to go VA, and the offspring's placings go into account for the VA designation. Everything the SV does encourages participation in the total breed [ idealisticly]