Looking for dog I breed - Page 4

Gigante, if you are speaking to me, the issue is that, once again, you have ZERO say so once you conduct a business transaction and accept money for it. The property is no longer yours and personally, i like up front deals that suit me and make sense to me, hence, i buy dogs from like minded people.
A man much wiser then you and i said that, "you only lose that which you cling to", take that to heart when conducting business with other parties.

One of the greatest joys I have had since I started breeding gsd, under the direction of MANY fine gsd mentors , was when I visit a pup who is 8 months old or in some cases , 15 months old, and being in training with many people, the dog bounces out of the cage, and the LEO , screams  < Oh Jan, get back, do not open his cage, he will tear off your face, and by the time he got the door to the PU opened I had the dog in my face, Licking me all over, and wagging his body in the language of love, for his Ganny..THe woman who wallered in the birthing box for first three days and bonded with him until he left at  8 weeks old...The officer, from Brazoria Co. SO, was so surprised(he was bringing him for me to babysit while he got his divorce from a wife who threatened to kill the dog).  I have had it happen many times even on my own street , only a half mile away, not seeing the dog for 2 yrs, greeted me at the back door of their home, only after running off the UPS man , who was trying to deliver a package...and the Plumber , who thought he could walk past her, this time a female...and she was all over me , head to toe, so happy to see her Ganny...You cannot tell me, that  the gsd ,doesn't  have a  memory bank as big as Fort Knox...

I do have three pups, now grown , who I have lost contact with and one was the dog Adrian Ledda , helped with training, and the man died, and I resold her...I promised Mike I would never lose sight of her....I did and it bothers me..the man has moved from Dallas and I gave up looking.

He may read this and can contact me , pm me , that Khristi is still ok and alive and well..

I guess the heart overloads us sometimes with concern , but that is why I loved my kids and had best customers , who sometimes did say...boy , your pup is too much for us, but help us solve it...I usually did.

Hired Dog:  I get what you thought Bob MEANT.., AND I know Bob, so I just offered my opinion of how I feel, and it matches Bob's feelings  pretty well..

Since I worked in two SO training programs with tons of dogs trained by officers, and sold a few to officers, that I still keep in touch with, and I even got to work two dogs on my 15 state tour last NOVEMBER, and walk another one , and play with him, it gives me joy to be able to handle a trained dog , of level you have, if the dog is social enough, and makes me appreciate the work you officers and trainers of our dogs who protect and serve us, put into a gsd and one was a mal., but it also gives me that tingling feeling of confidence , that I have for bonding and being able to read a dog. They have been my life for 28years since my husband died. These gsd kept me sane..

The poster is an LEO who is concerned I am sure about why his pup got sold, especially learning some facts that were a bit suspicious   and could the pup be in trouble.

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Hi Jan,

To be honest there have been a few times that I wished I didn't know what was going on with a dog I bred . One of the nicest dogs I ever bred and sold went to a cardiologist at Hershey Medical Center, his wife an RN. Sounds good, doesn't it. They  didn't even have enough  common sense to figure out how to keep a 7 month old puppy from opening a window, walking on a second story roof, jumping to the yard below, scaling a 6 foot fence and crossing a 4 lane interstate. He did it multiple times. I never could figure out how he didn't get blitzed by a car. 

A pick of another litter went to a working home in NY. That buyer brought her vet along to make sure the dog was healthy and temperament tested. She took her home, immediatley put her in a corral with quarter horses one of which stepped on her and factured one of her rear legs. One of those bad epitheseal fractures that caused that leg to end up shorter than the opposing rear leg. When the dog was 2 years old, she gave her back to me because she was really interested in animal power and that dog couldn't go that work. 

I don't know what would have become of either of those dogs had I not kept in touch with those buyers. I have a feeling it would not have been a happy ending for either.

 

Hired Dog, 

My comment was directed at you and people of like mind. However you are still...  incorrect. :)  I indeed have a say. Not ZERO.  If you buy a dog from me then you agree or you dont get the dog. I appreciate you may or may not be a good person and you may or may not do whats best for your dog, but thats really irrelivant to me and my pack.  I have lost more then a share of sales because I dont want my dogs over vaccinated I dont want my dogs fixed until two. These two points alone, some would say cost me sales. I dont look at it like that way. If you dont have a like mindset... Meaning have done some or much homework, then your not for me nor my dogs for you. Again not a watch. That same wise man also said "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense".  Both reason and common sense dictates that you do whats best for those that can not, do it for themselves. Especially so, since they were.. my kids first. 

 

 

Hired Dog, 

My comment was directed at you and people of like mind. However you are still...  incorrect. :)  I indeed have a say. Not ZERO.  If you buy a dog from me then you agree or you dont get the dog. I appreciate you may or may not be a good person and you may or may not do whats best for your dog, but thats really irrelivant to me and my pack.  I have lost more then a share of sales because I dont want my dogs over vaccinated I dont want my dogs fixed until two. These two points alone, some would say cost me sales. I dont look at it like that way. If you dont have a like mindset... Meaning have done some or much homework, then your not for me nor my dogs for you. Again not a watch. That same wise man also said "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense".  Both reason and common sense dictates that you do whats best for those that can not, do it for themselves. Especially so, since they were.. my kids first. 

 

 

Gigante, the question is IF and if you are not into breeding what i want or conducting business in a manner that is suitable to me, i will not buy from you. Since its your business, please, feel free to lose as much of it as you like.
I dont vaccinate after the first year, other then rabies and i NEVER neuter, hence i wont buy from someone who wants to dictate those terms.
When i buy a dog, its free and clear from any expectations from the breeder, but, i will let you know how great the dog works or how much it sucks.
That wise man actually said, "be a lamp unto yourselves" ...
Lastly, my dogs are categorically NOT my kids in any way or fashion, i have REAL kids i created..working partner, sure, but still nothing more then a dog.

Dog purchase contracts are not generally honored by the courts and never by AKC. Once the dog is transferred to the buyer it's his or her dog to do with as seen fit. Verbal agreements are even less binding. I assume those who like to keep track of the dogs they breed also offer a contract with every sale?

Still I think it's a good idea to give a written contract to serve as a guideline to how the seller would like to see the dog handled by the buyer. The seller recommends ________ vaccination(s) at ___ months and ____months. Seller recommends the dog not be bred until _____ months and then not until it has been xrayed for hip dysplasia and elbow incongruities and found to be clear by  the OFA/SV/a certified vet radiologist. Seller recommends _______brand of dog food......Seller recommends that if bred the dog is only bred to purebred dogs of the same breed that have passed the above health tests and so on.

It helps I think, but the first time the buyer takes that dog to a vet who vaccinates every year or needs to board that dog at a kennel or enter it in a training class that insists on annual vacs, lyme vacs, kennel cough vacs, odds are the buyer is going to comply with them and forget about everything they heard from the seller.

I don't think we're really comparing apples to apples here. Keeping track of the dogs one breeds doesn't have to mean dictating terms to the buyer, it can mean a call or email a few times a year asking how the dog is doing, asking for a photo, asking if the hips and elbows have been xrayed yet, is the buyer training that dog yet, etc..

It can drive you nuts and it's a lot easier to say - your dog, your choice - than it is to try to convince buyers to let your know how the dog is doing and if he's tried to eat any of the neighborhood kids. I found it was a good idea to make your own "how to" handouts and send them with every buyer. I also included a brochure about the breed and anything else that pertained to the dog I sold.

One last comment, no dog breeder who has bred more that a dozen (or less) puppies has never made a mistake about a buyer. Some of the worst sales I ever made were to buyers who were experienced in that breed. Frankly other breeders were the worst .

I, of course, would never treat my dog like a child and to prove that she is only allotted the middle foot end of the sleep number - she's a 45.

 

Apologies for the double post, if admin can delete one great.

 

Hired Dog why so argumentative? If you agree with the buyer on the things they would expect from you with the regards to the transfer, then again what is the issue. Its sounding like you don't like expectations from someone. You buy a car there are rules, you buy a gun, rules, you buy a house, rules. Theres not much anymore that you actually have a choice in the matter, expectations (rules) follow just about everything. If dogs are straight property and nothing more well, so are guns houses and cars. I know almost everyone here shares your perspective on dogs, not much, if at all, hire then livestock. Obviously a dog is not a child, but they mean more to most people, then property. I love using the term kid, just pisses people off. Not a watch.

Gigante, when I buy a house a car or a gun, I do not expect the seller to ask me for pictures on the holidays, to ask me how the bathroom is performing or how well the gun is shooting, make sense? Indeed you are correct, dogs are livestock, like any other animal and I do not attach emotions to them. I respect my dogs, I am in awe of their non human abilities, even 36 years later, I understand they can do things that humans cant, but, again, they are dogs, nothing more. I have a well rounded life with people in it whom I love and choose to be with, I have children whom I created on purprose, I do not need a dog to "love" me or validate my existence nor do I enjoy pissing people off by calling their dogs children. Lastly, you are correct sir/madam, not a watch, livestock! 

IMO most dog owners and breeders fall somewhere between the "dogs are livestock" and "dogs are furbabies" lines of thinking. Each description conjures up extreme visions of how dogs are treated and kept. Unproductive livestock disposed of like broken kitchen appliances without any emotion; furbabies wearing PJ's, being pushed around in dog carriages sleeping in 4 poster beds. IMO either description is obscene.