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by Ruger1 on 21 November 2013 - 00:11
Jen,,I wanted to let him roam around while we had adults over that were comfortable with being around him instead of being in his kennel. ..We don't get a lot of opportunity to do that with Prince as most people are afraid of him. Also, we don't need a law suite should he muzzle punch the wrong person.....
I didn't have him on leash at a heel next to me because I didn't want to create any opportunity for Prince to feel the need to protect...I let him freely walk about and he was content sniffing and being patted...He went and laid down on a friends lap and the guy approached him and before I knew what happened Prince nailed him....I was not able to address the situation in a timely manner as I was across the room....I remember Prince looked at him oddly and his eyes changed and the next second it happened..
In my personal opinion I think this guy is afraid of Prince, though he swears he isn't..Maybe Prince was taking advantage of the guys fearfulness or the he made Prince uneasy due to the fact he is afraid of him...
Jen btw I did tell him that,,
I didn't have him on leash at a heel next to me because I didn't want to create any opportunity for Prince to feel the need to protect...I let him freely walk about and he was content sniffing and being patted...He went and laid down on a friends lap and the guy approached him and before I knew what happened Prince nailed him....I was not able to address the situation in a timely manner as I was across the room....I remember Prince looked at him oddly and his eyes changed and the next second it happened..
In my personal opinion I think this guy is afraid of Prince, though he swears he isn't..Maybe Prince was taking advantage of the guys fearfulness or the he made Prince uneasy due to the fact he is afraid of him...
Jen btw I did tell him that,,


by Jenni78 on 21 November 2013 - 00:11
What does teaching him who's boss have to do with letting some big dude fondle his head? Riddle me that. It takes all kinds, I guess.
I'm sure you're right; maybe they were both a bit apprehensive with each other so each acted like............guys. <running for cover>
I'm sure you're right; maybe they were both a bit apprehensive with each other so each acted like............guys. <running for cover>


by Hundmutter on 21 November 2013 - 02:11
Ruger, you say Prince had settled himself 'on one of your friend's lap' ?
And the guy he muzzle-punched approached him ? [Them].
Sounds like a Dominance issue to me. He was comfy, he's got this
mug who is acting subordinate by letting him sprawl on them, and here
comes some other big punk who might break up that party, ...or 'attack' the
Prince's 'friend' (possessive tense) with the lap ... or challenge Prince for that
lap to sit in. The fact that all the 'big punk' wants to do is pat Prince's head
would not register, dogs can't really 'predict' what humans want. [However
much loving owners tell you that their pooch always 'knows' what they are
going to do before they do it.]
IMO if you wanted to do this experiment in social relations, you ought to have
been very clear at the beginning that EVERYONE present should have LET
THE DOG COME TO THEM to say Hello, rather than going towards him;
and that NOBODY should have got into a position of having the dog SIT WITH/ON
them (on furniture, or the floor).
You KNOW your boy is a bossy character who tries to take over; makes him a
liability in social situations. So you should always set the ground rules.
And the guy he muzzle-punched approached him ? [Them].
Sounds like a Dominance issue to me. He was comfy, he's got this
mug who is acting subordinate by letting him sprawl on them, and here
comes some other big punk who might break up that party, ...or 'attack'
Prince's 'friend' (possessive tense) with the lap ... or challenge Prince for that
lap to sit in. The fact that all the 'big punk' wants to do is pat Prince's head
would not register, dogs can't really 'predict' what humans want. [However
much loving owners tell you that their pooch always 'knows' what they are
going to do before they do it.]
IMO if you wanted to do this experiment in social relations, you ought to have
been very clear at the beginning that EVERYONE present should have LET
THE DOG COME TO THEM to say Hello, rather than going towards him;
and that NOBODY should have got into a position of having the dog SIT WITH/ON
them (on furniture, or the floor).
You KNOW your boy is a bossy character who tries to take over; makes him a
liability in social situations. So you should always set the ground rules.

by Maxleia on 21 November 2013 - 07:11
Hundmutter is exactly right re Prince imo.

by Ruger1 on 21 November 2013 - 13:11
I know I was wrong for letting Prince lay across the lap of that mug and for letting that punk approach and pet his head with sweet talk!!,,
lol, All joking aside next time I will instruct everyone to let Prince greet them instead and set the ground rules more clearly from the start..Why didn't I think of that myself???...
,,I hate wasting a perfectly good training opportunity,,
Thanks Hundmutter,,,
lol, All joking aside next time I will instruct everyone to let Prince greet them instead and set the ground rules more clearly from the start..Why didn't I think of that myself???...

Thanks Hundmutter,,,

by laura271 on 21 November 2013 - 13:11
Muzzled and loose around guests isn't a situation that I would put Bosco in. Bosco is leashed and put in a platz next to Martin when we have people over for the evening. Bosco is relaxed and understands the rule- he can lay there and watch but not interact. People know what to expect before they are invited in and understand to leave Bosco alone. We have one person who absolutely refuses to understand that he cannot dominate Bosco (deliberately looms over and stares Bosco dead in the eye for prolonged periods, has tried to swat Bosco in the head, etc.) so Bosco has to be kenneled or the person would be bitten. Probably more than once.

by LadyFrost on 21 November 2013 - 13:11
Let me guess its a parent or in law?..LOOOL
I have a brother in law like that, thinks he knows it all, the good thing is once my dog shows teeth he is done and gone....i just dont want my dogs to think that showing teeth is acceptable practice, so once she does it she slithers away to her bed knowing that I do not tolerate that.....w my dogs if you give them an inch, they will take a mile...much like kids...i really get irritated when visitors tell me, "oh, just let him come and oh, can i give him piece of this" its like..NO..."you are a mean mommy"...I am NOT a mommy and NO you do not give my dogs off your plate...my dogs know what they can do, i spend more time barking orders at visitors and family members than my dogs...so for me its easier to just separate the two groups (dogs and people) and not deal with control issues, showing off, small man syndrome, motherly smothering and try to control dogs on top of it all.
I have a brother in law like that, thinks he knows it all, the good thing is once my dog shows teeth he is done and gone....i just dont want my dogs to think that showing teeth is acceptable practice, so once she does it she slithers away to her bed knowing that I do not tolerate that.....w my dogs if you give them an inch, they will take a mile...much like kids...i really get irritated when visitors tell me, "oh, just let him come and oh, can i give him piece of this" its like..NO..."you are a mean mommy"...I am NOT a mommy and NO you do not give my dogs off your plate...my dogs know what they can do, i spend more time barking orders at visitors and family members than my dogs...so for me its easier to just separate the two groups (dogs and people) and not deal with control issues, showing off, small man syndrome, motherly smothering and try to control dogs on top of it all.

by laura271 on 21 November 2013 - 13:11
@LadyFrost - Not MY relative. :)

by LadyFrost on 21 November 2013 - 13:11
LOOOOOL...gotcha!

by Ruger1 on 21 November 2013 - 15:11
LF,,I totally understand about being the mean mommy!!..That is usually the case here too..The only difference is over time friends and family have learned that Prince will bite and now they are all mostly afraid and don't request to try their "Dog Whisperer techniques ",,,,I do not think it is productive to place Prince or them in a situation where Prince knows they are afraid.so with the small handful of friends and family that are comfortable being around Prince muzzled we try and take advantage of the training opportunity. In the past I always put Prince away when company came to visit. I am trying to use the visits as training and socializing opportunities, but I can see I went about it wrong.,,
Actually
the more I think it out Kelly did say to keep him on a leash at a heel or in a down at my side muzzled with company...I can be such an idiot sometimes..:(
waves @ laura and bosco,,,
Actually

waves @ laura and bosco,,,
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