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by beetree on 28 October 2013 - 17:10
Please reread what I wrote. There is a difference in what you are saying and what a modern, quality Zoo with a stated mission of conservancy and education is. Of course people are paid a salary for a job even if that job is in a non-profit. That is not relevant to the meaning.
Animals will continue to go extinct with or without zoos. There is the hope that supporting our Accredited zoo's, will give some species a better chance in the future. And refuge was the correct word. I am for a planet with more numbers of species in it tomorrow, than yesterday.
I am sure there are zoo's that do not follow the strict requirements as our one and only accredited Zoo in CT. I would put a stop to those sounding like BYB zoo's, that you speak of, but while I can see a difference, you have yet to acknowledge: Not all zoo's are the same. RI, has a great zoo. I certainly don't think the Bronz zoo is selling "excess animals" to the gangsters! A well managed zoo, like a well known and respected dog breeder, has homes, (other accredited zoo's) lined up way in advance, they are conservators of the lines!
You want to force the direction with talk that lumps all into a BYB zoo's mentality. I am not in that conversation and your blanket statement needed to be cleared up.
Animals will continue to go extinct with or without zoos. There is the hope that supporting our Accredited zoo's, will give some species a better chance in the future. And refuge was the correct word. I am for a planet with more numbers of species in it tomorrow, than yesterday.
I am sure there are zoo's that do not follow the strict requirements as our one and only accredited Zoo in CT. I would put a stop to those sounding like BYB zoo's, that you speak of, but while I can see a difference, you have yet to acknowledge: Not all zoo's are the same. RI, has a great zoo. I certainly don't think the Bronz zoo is selling "excess animals" to the gangsters! A well managed zoo, like a well known and respected dog breeder, has homes, (other accredited zoo's) lined up way in advance, they are conservators of the lines!
You want to force the direction with talk that lumps all into a BYB zoo's mentality. I am not in that conversation and your blanket statement needed to be cleared up.
by Two Moons on 28 October 2013 - 20:10
BYB zoo's ?
Lord what next.
Lord what next.
by Mindhunt on 28 October 2013 - 20:10
Moons, of course I can't equate the Mandrill's behavior in captivity with what would happen in the wild 
. It was just an example of the cognitive and emotional capacity that wild animals (or any animal for that matter) have and what a shame it is that we have decimated their habitat. But it was still awesome the same
. It was just an example of the cognitive and emotional capacity that wild animals (or any animal for that matter) have and what a shame it is that we have decimated their habitat. But it was still awesome the same by Two Moons on 28 October 2013 - 21:10
I agree and honestly not surprised, you had a wonderful experience that most people will never have the chance to share.
by beetree on 28 October 2013 - 21:10
Moons, I know you are just being difficult. I am sure you have an inkling. If not, oh well, I will try again another day. Or maybe not.
by Two Moons on 28 October 2013 - 21:10
How about we don't and say we did....lol
by hexe on 28 October 2013 - 23:10
Carlin, I agree that the filmmaker had an agenda in mind and consequently the tenor of the documentary skewed to the negative, but I can assure you that at present, there are no facilities which have cetaceans in captivity which provide a sufficiently large enough habitat to ensure the animals psychological well-being; we can't replicate a span of ocean in breadth or depth in which to keep them. If land-dwellers such as polar bears and elephants develop psychoses which manifest as displays of repetitive behaviors reminiscent of obsessive/compulsive disorders, why would we not expect the sea-dwelling mammals to suffer a similar anxiety?
Bee, no offense, but accreditation of a zoo is not a guarantee of anything save that they passed their accreditation inspection. The world of zoos is fraught with politics, in-fighting, and competing accreditation organizations, and unfortunately, yes, some accredited zoos DO sell 'surplus' animals to exotic animal brokers, who then market them to 'hobbyists' either directly or through exotic animal auctions [there are a number of these types of auctions in the US, from coast to coast]. Glad that the zoo in CT appears to be doing things correctly and ethically, but don't be fooled into thinking that every accredited facility does right by their animals. I can tell you from first-hand experience that there are many who do not follow that credo.
Bee, no offense, but accreditation of a zoo is not a guarantee of anything save that they passed their accreditation inspection. The world of zoos is fraught with politics, in-fighting, and competing accreditation organizations, and unfortunately, yes, some accredited zoos DO sell 'surplus' animals to exotic animal brokers, who then market them to 'hobbyists' either directly or through exotic animal auctions [there are a number of these types of auctions in the US, from coast to coast]. Glad that the zoo in CT appears to be doing things correctly and ethically, but don't be fooled into thinking that every accredited facility does right by their animals. I can tell you from first-hand experience that there are many who do not follow that credo.
by Carlin on 28 October 2013 - 23:10
Hexe - I also cannot imagine a scenario in which those whales' needs are adequately met within the confines of the current artificial habitats.
by beetree on 29 October 2013 - 08:10
Hexe, no offense taken. I will however issue a "challenge" to any and all to name these "accredited zoo's" that sell animals in their conservation breeding programs to private buyers. I am not saying you are not truthful, just there is a loop hole somewhere that needs a good tightening if that is the case. After the infamous chimpanzee attack that ripped the hands and face off of Carla Nash from Greenwich, it is quite illegal to own most exotic zoo animals for a regular person in the whole tiny state of CT. Our zoo has been known to have "amnesty" days where these poor pet choices can be dropped off and the owners will not be prosecuted. Mostly they end up being reptilian, FWIW.
I am still skeptical you see, because they, meaning "accredited zoo's" are putting valued donor dollars at stake with such a practice, and that makes no sense to me. In the hierarchy of education/entertainment viewing between Aquariums and Zoo's, some might find it interesting, that it is Zoo's who come off short, feeling like the neglected step-child in the money pipeline.
I am still skeptical you see, because they, meaning "accredited zoo's" are putting valued donor dollars at stake with such a practice, and that makes no sense to me. In the hierarchy of education/entertainment viewing between Aquariums and Zoo's, some might find it interesting, that it is Zoo's who come off short, feeling like the neglected step-child in the money pipeline.
by joanro on 29 October 2013 - 09:10
Bee, twisting what is said is not going to make it not true.
First, I did not say "gangster" anywhere in my post (just another of your twists).. buying and selling from and for zoos, have the blessings of the almighty USDA.
The zoos you are labeling BYB in your attempt at discount them, are also USDA blessed.
Then you come up with "conservation breeding program" to twist what i said about excess animals. Animals are in zoos to make money, period.
First, I did not say "gangster" anywhere in my post (just another of your twists).. buying and selling from and for zoos, have the blessings of the almighty USDA.
The zoos you are labeling BYB in your attempt at discount them, are also USDA blessed.
Then you come up with "conservation breeding program" to twist what i said about excess animals. Animals are in zoos to make money, period.
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