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by Hundmutter on 03 September 2013 - 18:09
I'd much prefer Erich & Klodo to that picture of Hektor / Horand !
Just look at that dip. That's not 'flat' !
Just look at that dip. That's not 'flat' !
by Markobytes on 03 September 2013 - 20:09
Jemi, when you referred to page 287 of the Garret book and noted how the author had seen a deterioration in the breed because of a defective breed standard, which breed and what breed standard were you referring to?
by vonissk on 03 September 2013 - 22:09
Go read it Eddy................
by jemi on 04 September 2013 - 00:09
markobytes....maybe the author refers to german shepherds primarily and some other breeds, what do you think?
by Markobytes on 04 September 2013 - 10:09
Yes Jemi he does write of several breed standards as being defective but specifically he was writing of the American Kennel Clubs' standard change for the GSD in 1968 and it's effect on the American Shepherd. He was not speaking of the FCI-SV standard for the German Shepherd Dog. He went on how he originally thought they would need to breed to the German dog to correct their problem but his view at the time of writing that section of the book that he believed they could save their breed using their own stock. As an all breed judge he wrote how judges when dealing with defective breed standards should judge based on whether a dog was structurally sound and well balanced. He wrote that the all breed show could be the salvation for the American dog.
Jemi I sometimes have a hard time knowing whiat specific point you are trying to make in your posts and the different conditions in the breed in UK and the US further complicates this understanding.
Jemi I sometimes have a hard time knowing whiat specific point you are trying to make in your posts and the different conditions in the breed in UK and the US further complicates this understanding.
by jemi on 10 September 2013 - 21:09
relax. this is just about structure, as I see it.
by Markobytes on 11 September 2013 - 01:09
Jemi you just got it wrong, you twisted the facts to fit your version of reality
by Blitzen on 11 September 2013 - 09:09
Read both the FCI and the AKC GSD breed standards, they are very similar. It's not the standards that are ruining MANY breeds of dogs, it's the way the judges interpret them and use them to justify the dogs they like and/or breed.
by jemi on 11 September 2013 - 10:09
What fact did I twist? The fact that I see, can be seen by everyone, unsound structure. Maybe if I will fit my preferences to these versions of reality, I will be drooling, and clapping my hands over these correct structures as some see it as they parade in front of me. With their squat walking, and hocks rubbing to each other.
by Blitzen on 11 September 2013 - 10:09
FCI breed standard re rears:
Hind Legs
The rear legs have a pronounced rounded knee or turn of stifle which projects the dog's rear quarter well behind the point of the pelvis. Seen from the rear, the hind legs are parallel to one another. Upper and lower thighs are of approximately the same length and form an angle of 120 degrees. Thighs are strong and well muscled.
The hock joint is strong and dry and the hock stands upright under the joint.
AKC breed standard
Hindquarters
The whole assembly of the thigh, viewed from the side, is broad, with both upper and lower thigh well muscled, forming as nearly as possible a right angle. The upper thigh bone parallels the shoulder blade while the lower thigh bone parallels the upper arm. The metatarsus (the unit between the hock joint and the foot) is short, strong and tightly articulated. The dewclaws, if any, should be removed from the hind legs. Feet as in front.
It's all about interpretation, not about poorly written standards.
Hind Legs
The rear legs have a pronounced rounded knee or turn of stifle which projects the dog's rear quarter well behind the point of the pelvis. Seen from the rear, the hind legs are parallel to one another. Upper and lower thighs are of approximately the same length and form an angle of 120 degrees. Thighs are strong and well muscled.
The hock joint is strong and dry and the hock stands upright under the joint.
AKC breed standard
Hindquarters
The whole assembly of the thigh, viewed from the side, is broad, with both upper and lower thigh well muscled, forming as nearly as possible a right angle. The upper thigh bone parallels the shoulder blade while the lower thigh bone parallels the upper arm. The metatarsus (the unit between the hock joint and the foot) is short, strong and tightly articulated. The dewclaws, if any, should be removed from the hind legs. Feet as in front.
It's all about interpretation, not about poorly written standards.
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