Backround check bill fails to pass in Senate - Page 4

I know that it is illegal to buy a gun for someone else.  Still it happens all the time.  Sometimes a person such as a girlfriend is intimidated into making the purchase.  Sometimes the buyer doesn't know the criminal's record.  How would they check it?  Sometimes the criminal simply takes the gun as criminals are known to do.  If it happened to me, I would immediately report the gun stolen.

Sometimes it's just easier for a criminal to use fake id.  They are known for that too.

I just find the idea that a criminal would try to buy a gun legally to be ludicrous.

I just find the idea that a criminal would try to buy a gun legally to be ludicrous.

I don't think you really, really mean that. If a criminal is smart, why wouldn't he? Not all criminals are dumb. LOL The dumbest ones probably get caught the most, is all. 

What I think is more interesting at this point, is if you think the general population is itself, more dumb than smart? Hmm?

If a criminal is really smart, Bee, he hasn't been caught and his name wouldn't be on the registry.  So, yes, he could buy a gun legally, as long as he didn't plan to use it to commit a crime which could be traced back to him.  So, if he were smart, why would he want to buy a legal gun?  Sorry, you're right, I just don't get it.

Sometimes the buyer doesn't know the criminal's record.  How would they check it?

Micaho,
What do you mean? Sometimes a law-abiding, good guy, will be a gun purchasing consumer who will buy from an unlawful seller, who happens to have criminal character? And how would one know it? Hmm, isn't that part of the loophole in the current registry systems that some of us want to eliminate? Or at least shrink it up a bit? If all sellers are required to report all sales then all buyers will expect that scrutiny. If they don't, then the buyer would have justification, or even a reason to suspect some untoward and illegal sales practices are in progress.

It is not a perfect world Micaho, and as in everything else, to have laws really to work for the intent they were created, it requires more good law abiding participants than exist, then the one's interested in only their own interests. One way to look at it. 

It's a mute point now isn't it............:)

The whole system is broke IMO....They presently don't enforce the laws on the books....the jails are full....they don't do beans to people caught making straw purchases...Chicago has the strictest gun laws on the books....the most gun violence....yet they have the least amount of prosecutions.... the whole system of justice is a total mess...and adding new laws isn't going to fix it imo...

They need to get "tough with crime"....not torment the people who abide by the law....

"If all sellers are required to report all sales then all buyers will expect that scrutiny"

Whoa, Bee, requirements only apply to "law abiding citizens." Criminals don't care about "requirements."  And they rarely sell guns except to each other.

P.S.  To my knowledge there is no law to background check a seller.

Why is this such a big deal? If you want to buy and drive a car, legally, the sale is reported, and recorded..... who cares that this is in a database so you will be taxed appropriately? Why shouldn't something that was invented to kill people specifically, be exempt from such a simple thing? Maybe we should tax all the guns and ammo, too, double up that tax, even, maybe, to pay for all the cops needed in the school yards? 

It isn't over. L O N G   H A U L.   Time is also an interesting concept when considering changing such stalwart, precious, but out moded ideals.
 

"It isn't over. L O N G H A U L. Time is also an interesting concept when considering changing such stalwart, precious, but out moded ideals."

I respect that as your opinion. I do sincerely hope, that you, and others who share your view, have a full understanding of where those "new" ideals may eventually take us.

Say it Carlin... the standard fear. The "evil" government who we elect to represent us, yet refuses to actually do that by catering to special interest groups, only wants to know who owns what guns, so they will be confiscated at a later date?

Carlin. I simply do not believe that. The plausibility is ... nil! (I just deleted my last sentence as politically incorrect!) So, I will say, take a look around at this board and come on, they'll all be dead first, before that would happen. There aren't enough people who don't own guns (like yours truly, lol) probably, who will be able to pry all those cold dead fingers from their guns.