Scorebook question - Page 4

EliDog, at the club level the UScA accepts everyone EXCEPT GSDCA and WDA......

I know....That's the point I was making....they want to blame it on the books or the judges or the sun was in their eyes...yet those same books and memberships manage to get them into the WUSV Championship....plus DVG excepts them...but what do they know...


Keith

All this back and forth about which organization is better, who is worse,
and all it does is make it less appealing to the people that just want to
get out to train and title their dogs. BOTH organizations should be trying
hard to work together to promote the sport and breed in this country,
and be more than HAPPY to have people from any breed and any organization
want to enter their working trials. Same goes for the conformation side,
it should not take multiple calls to an organization, queries for help on
message boards etc  for one to fill out a simple entry form for a show!

JudyK wrote

"Jim, I'm not sure I understand this statement  "the SV has for years cautioned us from accepting titles from non-SV judges (the GSDCA-WDA currently has 2)" when it appears that USCA has quite a few more non SV judges.  Perhaps you could clarify."


 Judy what this statement means is that we do not accept titles from Judges whose license is issued from a NON-WUSV member organization. We accept all titles from all judges from WUSV or FCI member organization. USCA is a WUSV member organization and as such ALL USCA judges titles are recognized by all WUSV member organizations. WDA is not a WUSV organization and their judges that are not SV recognized , do not have any ties with any international organization and are not recognized by USCA at this time.

Sitasmom wrote :

"EliDog, at the club level the UScA accepts everyone EXCEPT GSDCA and WDA......"

 This is not a corrct statement. USCA accepts entry from all WUSV member orgs (GSDCA is a WUSV member and many GSDCA members enter our shows) AWDF member orgs and FCI member orgs, I'm sorry but WDA members refuse to accept the fact that WDA is not a WUSV member. And it is their scorebook that is the problem for entering our events. GSDCA has told us they do not issue scorebooks, so the GSDCA members that want to enter USCA need a recognized scorebook. A GSDCA member with a DVG scorebook will absolutely be allowed to enter USCA event.

Sitasmom also wrote:

"If someone is a member of the GSDCA and has a GSDCA/GSDCA-WDA score book, can they enter a UScA club level trial?"

At this time , no. You do not have a scorebook issued from a WUSV member organization.

workingdogz wrote:

"BOTH organizations should be trying
hard to work together to promote the sport and breed in this country,"


As for everyone working together, We (USCA) reached out to WDA president Mr Yee and GSDCA President Mr Fasano to say we think there is an opportunity to work together and find a way to open up all club level trials to each other's members. We asked for a few months to get up to speed and get a better understanding of the possible problems invovled before making this decision.(non-WUSV member judges, scorebooks and anything else that might appear, we just want to be informed before we make a decision) Mr Fasano from the GSDCA has been very cooperative and has offered to help any way he can. Mr Yee however decided the better tack was to "demand" and threaten USCA with WUSV sanctions if we do not comply with his demands imediately. WDA of course can not make a complaint with WUSV as WDA is not a WUSV member, it would have to be made through the GSDCA. Mr Yee posted a letter, with a quote supposedly written by Mr Lux, on the internet. We have asked to see the original because the letter USCA received from Mr Lux said nothing like what was in Mr Yee's letter. If Mr Lux really intended to do what Mr Yee claims why was that letter sent only to GSDCA-WDA and his letter to USCA so different. The letter from Mr Lux to USCA stated only that USCA must accept all "awards and ratings" issued by WUSV member judges at GSDCA-WDA events. It said nothing about recognizing WDA and their scorebook. We assured Mr Lux that USCA absolutely accepts all awards and ratings earned under WUSV Judges, FCI Judges and judges that are from organization with no ties to either as long as they have the "SV recognized" designation.

We asked Mr Yee, Mr Lux , Mr Henke and Mr Fasano to send USCA the entire letter that Mr Yee quotes from. That was a week ago. To date we have not received a copy of the letter. Mr Fasano also sent a email to Mr Yee (and copied Mr Alloway and myself) asking him to provide USCA with the letter and the "agreement between GSDCA and GSDCA-WDA." That email was sent on Feb 2nd. We have yet to receive an answer from Mr Yee. So please understand that USCA has tried to work together, but unfortunately Mr Yee has decided to go the demand, threaten and force route.

 USCA can not change policy and "possibly" make things much more difficult for our trial secretaries, Judges and clubs (trying to figure out what titles are recognized from what Judges etc..) just because Mr Yee says, "I got a letter, trust me I have it but I won't show you..."

  I still ask the question. Why would the WUSV send a letter to the GSDCA-WDA stating what USCA must do and not send that letter to USCA. Then they send a completely different letter to USCA.

 It does not make sense.... 

 Frank

Frank,
Thank you for such a detailed and informative reply.
You are 100% correct, things done with the Mr Yee version of WUSV
"math" simply don't add up! 

One has to wonder if Mr Yee will ever run out of people and organizations to sue
How very sad and petty, hopefully the new EB of USCA can make some changes for
the better, the whole place needed a massive overhaul, and some people with morals
and ethics, here's to hoping things get better. It's too bad it sounds like that although
the GSDCA is open to communication and trying to mend fences with USCA,
the Supreme Ruler of the WDA is not. If he keeps it up, he soon won't have to worry about
members. 

Thank you Frank for your explanation. It's unfortunate that no member of the WDA sees fit to address this problem in a public forum and instead resorts to threats and bullying to state their position.  This problem could be easily resolved if the two sides simply sat down and ironed out the details.  Communication is everything when two sides are deadlocked.

Judy

Jim Alloway/dogjam101 - this is directed to you.......   Not a USA member add $30.00. ----- will this include WDA members and will the GSDCA/GSDCA-WDA scorebooks be signed?

Cajun Team Schutzhund Club Hosting
with USA Judge Andrea Duggan
on
16 17 March 2013
IPO/AWD 1,2,3
BH, FH 1,2, AD,OB 1,2,3, TR 1,2,3
Entry Fee's:
IPO/AWD 1,2,3 $75.00
BH, FH 1,2, AD,OB 1,2,3, TR 1,2,3 $55.00
Trial Helper: To be announced
Tracking on Grass; Trial will start at 6:30 am

Received day of Trial $25.00 more on all entries.

Not a USA member add $30.00

Please make checks payable to Paul Robertson and mail with completed entry form(s) to:

Paul Robertson
5509 Berne Street
Metairie, Louisiana 70003
(504) 779-7173

SitasMom


  The "Not a USCA member" fee is for members of AWDF organizations.

 so No, this would not include GSDCA-WDA mermbers.


 and NO, the GSDCA-WDA scorebook is not issued from a WUSV member and will not be accepted for entry or signed at this time.



 here are the rules for entry into a USCA event from the uSCA website:

USA Trial Entries
February 10, 2010
Regarding trial entry into all USA Events please follow these guidelines.
 
It is the Member and Trial Secretary and Judges’ responsibility to review this information to ensure that all trial entries are valid for our events.
 
All entries must be USA members or members of an AWDF Member Club in good Standing, members must be able to provide proof of a valid membership at time of entry (membership card).
All dogs must have a USA Certified Scorebook or a bond must be posted.
Entries from outside the USA (Foreign members of WUSV or FCI Organizations) that do not have full time residence in the USA are exempt from theses rules.
 

 Frank Phillips

Vice President, USCA

I am no fan of WDA in any way and not of course a member!!!  Some people on this thread said to others here to get a AWDF scorebook.  But looking at the site, seems one has to go through some major clubs to get a scorebook.  So, does that mean there is no actual AWDF scorebook??

To obtain a DVG Scorebook, I understand, one has to belong to a DVG club, as there are no longer individual memberships? 

I was speaking to someone belonging to UScA who said that Jim is a real nice guy.

I do not belong to UScA, and I do not understand what I was told about UScA Scorebooks on one item.  I was told that when one does obtain a UScA scorebook, one still has to pay another fee in order to use the Scorebook, as something like $12.  Frank, maybe you can explain what I was told, please.

If I do join a National again, I will join UScA, as per the nice things I was told about Jim and Frank.  And I know a bit about WDA and I would not join it due to its leadership.  And in re-joining UScA I would be supporting Jim and Frank.  And they do not know me.

Thank you for any information you can give me.  I do not currently have a dog who can do schutzhund.

Alamance membership in UScA is $100.00 per year. That get's you membership and the quarterly Mag... When you have a dog you wish to trial the fee for the score book is $10.00. That scorebook is a UScA / AWDF scorebook good for any trial from club level to the World Championships.