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Keith Grossman

by Keith Grossman on 30 August 2012 - 16:08

"Unless you have information to the contrary, I have heard that most of the fraud involved invalid democratic votes, and that has been proven locally."

Source?

by Blitzen on 30 August 2012 - 16:08

I can't  find any neutral websites that support that claim. I'm not sure what a "democratic" vote is. Does that mean a registeed demo cast the vote or the ballot was cast as straight democrat? I thought all votes were democratic.


Micaho

by Micaho on 30 August 2012 - 16:08

If I can ask, Beetree, without being condescending or jabbing, are you saying these programs are "entitlements" because, after paying in, we are "entitled to them?"  We are entitled to what we are "eligible" for, regardless of what we paid in.  The only time our actual payments are considered is to compute the monthly SS benefit, maybe unemployment to some extent.  The proof of this is death.  If you die before you are eligible, no matter how much you paid in, you are entitled to nothing(except maybe $255.)   On the other hand, people who don't pay in a dime, if they are "eligible"(due to losing a parent or a disability, for example), are entitled to benefits.  There are about 2 young workers paying in now for each retiree.  The retiree's monthly pension is, hopefully, more than the FICA deduction of the 2 workers combined.  And if all the people collecting benefits, not just pension payments, are counted, we are spending more than we collect.

Blitzen, my last two annual notices from Soc Sec regarding my benefits clearly stated that in 2033 I would be receiving 75% of my currently projected benefits.  Medicare will not be funded after 2016 unless Obamacare generates enough savings for it to run out in 2024 instead.  I don't understand how you think the money will always be there for us.  There isn't even enough money in the FDIC accounts now to cover the money in the bank that really is ours.  But that's another story.  Please feel free to criticize me at any time, although I really don't know what you are talking about.

Keith Grossman

by Keith Grossman on 30 August 2012 - 16:08

"I can't  find any neutral websites that support that claim."

Of course you can't because it simply isn't true: http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/pdf/TruthAboutVoterFraud.pdf

Micaho

by Micaho on 30 August 2012 - 17:08

What I heard about voter fraud being more prevalent as invalid votes for democratic candidates was probably on C-Span and I cannot remember the source's name.  I think it concerned using the names of dead people aound the time of Bush-Dole in Florida.  Supposedly also some scandals in Chicago.  Nicky Haley said N.Carolina had exposed alot of names of registered voters who were dead or non-existent.  I know that locally we had a voting scandal where vote counts were falsified to elect a Progressive candidate. Is there a vote breakdown by party in the referenced pdf document?  It does seem logical that the party benefitting from any fraud would not try to stop it.  

Keith Grossman

by Keith Grossman on 30 August 2012 - 17:08

Hearsay.  Bush spent years trying to prove the prevalence of voter fraud and came up with 9 possible examples, none of which could be substantiated.  The bottom line is that the penalties are far too great to warrant taking the chance for the infinitesimal effect that a single vote could have.

by Blitzen on 30 August 2012 - 17:08

First they took away our right to vote..................

Micaho

by Micaho on 30 August 2012 - 17:08

Keith, That's a good point about single votes not counting for much.  I guess the best fraud would involve somehow deleting thousands of votes at a time, forget false registration! 

Does anyone else think Chris Matthews has lost his mind?

by Blitzen on 30 August 2012 - 18:08

No more so than Rush and Hannity.

by beetree on 30 August 2012 - 18:08

The Dems around here got in trouble because they would do voter drives among the elderly and would use that, to create abuse of the absentee ballots.

Micaho, I probably agree with your math, but not with your definitions. SS was created wasn't it, during a time when women working was a rarity?  And yes, she and her children would be eligible for the benefits the working spouse paid into. Remember, the funds don't just sit there in a shoebox with a name on it, the funds are invested, and the returns on the investment are the benefit to the payer.  That is not an entitlement for nothing earned, IMHO. A widow or child of the deceased is an accepted recipient of a deserved benefit. The family unit is to be preserved, to the benefit of society, yes?





 


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