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by Slamdunc on 03 May 2011 - 17:05
vikram,
Hello, care to address your experience? Crickets, that is all I hear?
by brynjulf on 03 May 2011 - 17:05
Vikram? What do you think of when you think Working Lines? Czech is pretty much the first thing that pops into most peoples minds.. With East German coming in a close second. I'm really confused..Are you talking about Czech show lines? (cuz they are just west german dogs one country removed :)
Koa listen to Jim he is one of the few experienced handlers on this board....
Koa listen to Jim he is one of the few experienced handlers on this board....
by kaoboy on 03 May 2011 - 18:05
i will listen to jim...
but all he has told me is that czech lines are a bad line..
i want example on how to correct this behaviour and build his confidence.
my trainer says his foundation is raelly good. and i got the best puppy dog in are club.
she compares my dog that is 8 months old. to her 11 month dog. that they are both in the same level. just mine is younger.
jim got advise since you work with these lines?
but all he has told me is that czech lines are a bad line..
i want example on how to correct this behaviour and build his confidence.
my trainer says his foundation is raelly good. and i got the best puppy dog in are club.
she compares my dog that is 8 months old. to her 11 month dog. that they are both in the same level. just mine is younger.
jim got advise since you work with these lines?
by Red Sable on 03 May 2011 - 18:05
"i will listen to jim...
but all he has told me is that czech lines are a bad line.."
Jim never said that, vikram did.
Jim did give you advice. Look further up on this page.
but all he has told me is that czech lines are a bad line.."
Jim never said that, vikram did.
Jim did give you advice. Look further up on this page.
by Slamdunc on 03 May 2011 - 18:05
kaoboy,
I never said czech lines are bad. I have a czech dog, the dog in my avatar. I love czech dogs and I also have a German working line dog.
Doing SchH with your dog can be a very good thing. I would work your dog in prey and not go too fast. A dog with this temperament could start to have chewy grips if pushed to hard and too fast as a young dog. I have seen and have owned dogs that are precocious and are ready for a "trial" sleeve at 8 months. I would caution to go slow and remember the dog is still a pup.
I thought I gave some advice earlier. I would work on obedience, high drive fun OB. For this dog I would teach a focus command like "watch me" or "look." I would also teach a very strong down stay command as well as sit / stay. I would take the dog to shopping centers and do obedience and reward with either food or a toy. I would make the dog down on the sidewalk and stay, I would reward when calm, confident and correct. I would make the dog sit near the entrance to the shopping center and reward with food when people pass by and he ignores them. If he begins to bark at someone I would correct the dog strongly. I would put the dog into a sit and reward the sit behavior. I would not pet the dog when someone approaches and his hackles go up or if he barks. This unintentionally teaches the dog that barking and being apprehensive is good.
You need to be careful when walking the dog to remain calm and confident yourself. If you see someone approaching or a dog approaching and you get nervous this translates to the dog immediately. It runs right up and down the leash. I would take the dog to train stations and walk on the platforms as the train pulls up and people get off. I would spend time every day going to busy areas, in town, shopping centers etc and walk my dog. I have done this with several dogs and it works, but it is not easy and requires a substantial commitment on your part.
I would continue doing SchH and work with your decoy on building the dogs confidence and work in prey. Make sure the dog is not hectic, but clear headed while in drive.
I hope that helps,
Jim
I never said czech lines are bad. I have a czech dog, the dog in my avatar. I love czech dogs and I also have a German working line dog.
Doing SchH with your dog can be a very good thing. I would work your dog in prey and not go too fast. A dog with this temperament could start to have chewy grips if pushed to hard and too fast as a young dog. I have seen and have owned dogs that are precocious and are ready for a "trial" sleeve at 8 months. I would caution to go slow and remember the dog is still a pup.
I thought I gave some advice earlier. I would work on obedience, high drive fun OB. For this dog I would teach a focus command like "watch me" or "look." I would also teach a very strong down stay command as well as sit / stay. I would take the dog to shopping centers and do obedience and reward with either food or a toy. I would make the dog down on the sidewalk and stay, I would reward when calm, confident and correct. I would make the dog sit near the entrance to the shopping center and reward with food when people pass by and he ignores them. If he begins to bark at someone I would correct the dog strongly. I would put the dog into a sit and reward the sit behavior. I would not pet the dog when someone approaches and his hackles go up or if he barks. This unintentionally teaches the dog that barking and being apprehensive is good.
You need to be careful when walking the dog to remain calm and confident yourself. If you see someone approaching or a dog approaching and you get nervous this translates to the dog immediately. It runs right up and down the leash. I would take the dog to train stations and walk on the platforms as the train pulls up and people get off. I would spend time every day going to busy areas, in town, shopping centers etc and walk my dog. I have done this with several dogs and it works, but it is not easy and requires a substantial commitment on your part.
I would continue doing SchH and work with your decoy on building the dogs confidence and work in prey. Make sure the dog is not hectic, but clear headed while in drive.
I hope that helps,
Jim
by Slamdunc on 03 May 2011 - 18:05
Brynjulf and RS,
Thanks! I know that I never bashed czech lines or any other working line for that matter.
Kaoboy,
Please do not ever confuse me with vikram. I can assure you we are two totally different people.
Jim
Thanks! I know that I never bashed czech lines or any other working line for that matter.
Kaoboy,
Please do not ever confuse me with vikram. I can assure you we are two totally different people.
Jim
by dutss on 03 May 2011 - 18:05
koa
My first female was just like that. Yep, I would say weak nerves is a good assessement.....you could say "sharp"......."reactive".....
Non the less it is a dog that does not walk around with rose colored glasses on. He will get better wtih proper socialization and age but you have to do it correctly and be consistant.....and in the end he wll be ok, be more confident but still be the same dog. Hey, you bought a GSD, not a poodle.
My suggestion would be to let him "hang around" people to get used to them. This does not mean let them walk up and pet him just let him get used to being around people. With my female, people said "socialize her" so I thought that meant let people come up and pet her. NOT a good idea. I have a feeling eye contact is going to a be a big issue with this dog. Try not to let people stand there and eye ball him. (this is one reason the people at your club suggest keeping attention on you) So, what is the first thing a stranger wants to do when they want to pet your dog.....stare it straight in the eyes walk straight up to it ....bend over the dog put thier face in its face and pet it. This type of dog will not take any of this well. I was watching some green k9 officeres working with some green dogs at their cert. recently. One guy was trying to get control of his dog to do an area search while another guys says "man, guys dog hates me, he looses control when he goes by me" I told to stop eye f*****g the dog.......the problem stopped immediatly. This dog was a mature, confident dog looking for a fight.
Just because someone may be staring at the dog intently with admiration...doesnt mean that is how the dog percieves it.
Dont have the dog around dogs that your club members know are dominant with other dogs....the posturing and eye balling will cause you problems.
My female is "ok" now. She can have my childrens friends in the house if she knows them without a problem. No problem at all with my kids. NOT a good idea to walk in if she doesnt know you. Doesnt particuarly like strangers and even some she knows. That is ok. She puts on one hell of a show in bite work though!!
Oh yeah, she is from good west german lines
Would have to see the dog but would probably hold off on the bite work at least until a year old probably longer. You can build drive and grips yourself with tugs and toys. Willing to bet that no matter how hard the helper thinks he is working the dog in prey.....this boy wont percieve it that way.
It will work out, but you will always, like with any dog, have to be on your "A game"
Good luck!
My first female was just like that. Yep, I would say weak nerves is a good assessement.....you could say "sharp"......."reactive".....
Non the less it is a dog that does not walk around with rose colored glasses on. He will get better wtih proper socialization and age but you have to do it correctly and be consistant.....and in the end he wll be ok, be more confident but still be the same dog. Hey, you bought a GSD, not a poodle.
My suggestion would be to let him "hang around" people to get used to them. This does not mean let them walk up and pet him just let him get used to being around people. With my female, people said "socialize her" so I thought that meant let people come up and pet her. NOT a good idea. I have a feeling eye contact is going to a be a big issue with this dog. Try not to let people stand there and eye ball him. (this is one reason the people at your club suggest keeping attention on you) So, what is the first thing a stranger wants to do when they want to pet your dog.....stare it straight in the eyes walk straight up to it ....bend over the dog put thier face in its face and pet it. This type of dog will not take any of this well. I was watching some green k9 officeres working with some green dogs at their cert. recently. One guy was trying to get control of his dog to do an area search while another guys says "man, guys dog hates me, he looses control when he goes by me" I told to stop eye f*****g the dog.......the problem stopped immediatly. This dog was a mature, confident dog looking for a fight.
Just because someone may be staring at the dog intently with admiration...doesnt mean that is how the dog percieves it.
Dont have the dog around dogs that your club members know are dominant with other dogs....the posturing and eye balling will cause you problems.
My female is "ok" now. She can have my childrens friends in the house if she knows them without a problem. No problem at all with my kids. NOT a good idea to walk in if she doesnt know you. Doesnt particuarly like strangers and even some she knows. That is ok. She puts on one hell of a show in bite work though!!
Oh yeah, she is from good west german lines
Would have to see the dog but would probably hold off on the bite work at least until a year old probably longer. You can build drive and grips yourself with tugs and toys. Willing to bet that no matter how hard the helper thinks he is working the dog in prey.....this boy wont percieve it that way.
It will work out, but you will always, like with any dog, have to be on your "A game"
Good luck!
by troublelinx on 03 May 2011 - 18:05
dutss, everything that you say rings true
by destiny4u on 03 May 2011 - 19:05
duts my dog is a happy friendly dog when off her property shes good with people but anyone can turn her on and bring out her aggresion with their eyes. She can be calm and tired and then turn on in an instant. on the same stranger that pet her.
by dutss on 03 May 2011 - 19:05
all the more reason to be on your "A game".
In the middle of a nice pat on the head the stranger looks lovingly into the dogs eyes and "BAM" its over. A truly confident dog may not see a reason to growl on warn....they well just drill you.
In the middle of a nice pat on the head the stranger looks lovingly into the dogs eyes and "BAM" its over. A truly confident dog may not see a reason to growl on warn....they well just drill you.
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