Training Session for Personal Protection - Page 4

 My experience was a Dogue de Bordeaux. I would've put it down if it was my dog; the ONLY way to keep that dog happy and keep others safe was to control everything around her, ie, keep her inside at all times and not change a thing, and not let anyone else in the house. You change one thing and see the cowering, snarling, shaking...very sad, really. 

Other dogs are just shy or suspicious or lack exposure and confidence. "Fearbiter" is very overused, IMO.

The Dog is not a fear biter, however it has much to learn which may come with practice it is a little insecure but can be remeded
 One thing though which no one has picked up on and it is very important to how a dog works. The dog  is grossly over weight, cannot you guys see that, an over weight in form cannot do a proper job of work
Steve1

stuve that is bullshit ,  , like if he lost some weight , he would feel more secure about himself

Duke1956
Read the post again and do not jump to conclusions and make up something which is not there and cut out your own bullshit,
But i guess us novices from little Belgium do not know any thing about Dogs in general, but we are bright enough to  notice little things like a dog being overweight.

Deanna
Thank you for reading it the way it was mean't to be read
Steve1

I want to clarifiy that I don't think the dog is a natural fear biter, but the type of training this dog is recieving is pushing him to counter a threat in fear. Confident dogs worked in defence don't behave this way.

Thanks Alboe2009 - I'm looking forward to seeing your work -

Any one else have personal protection training videos with examples of how it should be done....??????

I have a trainingclip of a PPD  training , I shared before , this is how I see a perfect PPD ,  low drive , no screaming and barking and hectic , no commands to the dog to bite , but dog responding to the decoy/attacker  making a move , and great control by the handler , no is no , out is out

in this training I was working abit more into letting the dog attack instead of defend , as he was entered in a nightcompetition   a few weeks later

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpjvHIcnBIA

That was nice Duke. 

dAWgESOME, ironically just as I talked about that video/camera Kodak sent me an e-mail where it goes on sale in the next few days!

The next few words are not directed at/to you but whoever has already commented or will comment to this thread in the future. Individuals need to realize IMO that if they "train" dogs for whatever venue they are choosing that there will always be someone more knowledgeable or better than you and you at times you will know more than some.  That does not mean that person is a better person than you. Knowledge, education and training can at times lead to one being an "expert" on the discipline in question. And one that has those three does not automatically become an "expert" .

Of course there are different levels of each with time or longevity possibly included. But longevity does not always make an expert either. For me, I'm a visual person. Black and white very little gray. That is how I choose. Common sense would say "individuals should put more videos up" Just imagine if we had 1/2 the amount of videos of the posts/comments. That would be entertaining yet informative. But the way individuals respond is what prevents that from taking place.

The hardest thing for me is the videos are so short. We, if we are training are almost always looking for the same result but due to the handler, the dog, and a lot of other variables there are different methods. Maybe the handler put a different spin on the training, maybe their own little spin. Different method same result. Now if we are training together then one will see first hand, hear the commands, see the DO's and DONT's and after the scenario/practical can regroup, critique and if there are questions one can explain, defend his or her reasons/methods. With these mini micro videos one can not. Especially when the OP puts something up with either no break down or doesn't even reply or converse with the repliers. And that part I don't like. 

Two things with my dogs; One, it's hard to try and make a video like an everyday scenario. As soon as I bring out the prong collar Reiker will be keyed! And "training mode" takes over. Even if I attempt to put on his agitation collar or harness. It's on. So, I'll either try to figure something out or I'll just duplicate the same scenario as the OP.  And second........ This could probably be a whole nother thread. But with all the training that we do with our dogs. We honestly don't know 110% how our dogs are going to react "REAL WORLD situations). Now for the individuals that "work" their dogs in "REAL WORLD" jobs that's a different story.       

Wasn't going to watch the second video but after reading some repliers I said "let's check it out"

OP, how old is the dog? How many training sessions under his/her belt? If the first video was the 1st time why wait so long? Then it might be a little understandable; the dog is not sure what to do or what is expected of him/her. And what up to this point have you done? I see two different handlers......... are you training this dog for a client?

Not sure if this is the "proper" word but hopefully it's understood. Up to this time, what I see, there isn't a civil, "I'm going to kick your ass" bone in this dogs' body. NOT saying it couldn't be brought out, but not saying that it could either. Looks like a couple of steps were skipped over? As soon as the decoy enters the room the dog doesn't even get amped up let alone interested. Only when the decoy is @ 3' in front of him then things began. Not vocal or very little vocal. And what I don't understand is this butt patting/tapping? What is that?

It would be nice if you responded so that then things can be broken down and possibly explained? The "reward" is the bite itself. With the double sleeve he did reengage on the second sleeve but the dog never gets to "savor" the reward, the sleeve. Bites, has the sleeve, "outs" the sleeve and out the door........... That little circle dance in front of the handlers' legs, that's not confidence, not sure what it is unless it's excitement because he can now get out of there. 

Would be nice if you responded.