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by Abby Normal on 04 September 2010 - 07:09
@ Prager
It is indeed very strange that 'long coat' and black colour are listed as diseases.
It is indeed very strange that 'long coat' and black colour are listed as diseases.
by Prager on 04 September 2010 - 23:09
The problem with statistics is that people who care will report and people who do not care will not. Then dogs of the people who will report will have bad reputation. Who will submit to that?
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
by Abby Normal on 05 September 2010 - 17:09
@ Prager Hans
Yes, certainly people who don't care will not register, but those that do will be seen to be honest and open breeders. It may mean that people will not want to use a particular dog suffering from a particular defect, but it would encourage people to use those same breeders clear dogs, as they would be seen to be having nothing to hide. I personally don't think it would give them a bad reputation, quite the reverse IMO. Something positive can always come out of a negative. Other breeds and breeders have done this and there has been no stigma attached to it, and the breed is better for it, knowing exactly where the problems lie. Yes the affected dogs have been withdrawn from the breeding programmes, as they rightly should be, but the breeders have suffered no detriment from it. In essence the breed pulled together when the problem (NA Glaucoma in collies) arose, and have taken such quick action that the problem should be got under control, and the reward for such action will be a reduction of the problem in the breed. No doubt there are breeders out there that haven't had their dogs checked, but people will be looking for those who have to obtain puppies from. It is quite high profile, rather than being hidden.
It would also identify those lines which may carry the defect, which may also be used by other breeders, (who are not disclosing actual problems), but then those lines would have been identified by the caring breeders, and people could make more informed breeding decisions as a result.
If I am honest though, it is all 'pie in the sky' because it is rare to see such a positive reaction to a health issue in a breed, and breeders aren't generally open - that is the problem, perhaps because they see it the same way you do. It would be refreshing to see openness and honesty come into breeding, but that I fear is merely a dream.
Videx said something alon the lines that the GSD breed is one of the healthiest breeds in the UK and worldwide, and that the breed was 'open' about health issues. I have to ask myself what planet is he on to make such a statement, and I certainly can't say I've witnessed the openness he refers to. But I am open to being shown examples of openness on anything other than health tests where there is no control over the results being published, such as HD.
Yes, certainly people who don't care will not register, but those that do will be seen to be honest and open breeders. It may mean that people will not want to use a particular dog suffering from a particular defect, but it would encourage people to use those same breeders clear dogs, as they would be seen to be having nothing to hide. I personally don't think it would give them a bad reputation, quite the reverse IMO. Something positive can always come out of a negative. Other breeds and breeders have done this and there has been no stigma attached to it, and the breed is better for it, knowing exactly where the problems lie. Yes the affected dogs have been withdrawn from the breeding programmes, as they rightly should be, but the breeders have suffered no detriment from it. In essence the breed pulled together when the problem (NA Glaucoma in collies) arose, and have taken such quick action that the problem should be got under control, and the reward for such action will be a reduction of the problem in the breed. No doubt there are breeders out there that haven't had their dogs checked, but people will be looking for those who have to obtain puppies from. It is quite high profile, rather than being hidden.
It would also identify those lines which may carry the defect, which may also be used by other breeders, (who are not disclosing actual problems), but then those lines would have been identified by the caring breeders, and people could make more informed breeding decisions as a result.
If I am honest though, it is all 'pie in the sky' because it is rare to see such a positive reaction to a health issue in a breed, and breeders aren't generally open - that is the problem, perhaps because they see it the same way you do. It would be refreshing to see openness and honesty come into breeding, but that I fear is merely a dream.
Videx said something alon the lines that the GSD breed is one of the healthiest breeds in the UK and worldwide, and that the breed was 'open' about health issues. I have to ask myself what planet is he on to make such a statement, and I certainly can't say I've witnessed the openness he refers to. But I am open to being shown examples of openness on anything other than health tests where there is no control over the results being published, such as HD.
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