Difference between Schutzund and Personal Protection Training? - Page 4

Hmmm. You watched asa kid when police officers horsed around and piggy backed and slapped each other and the dog came by to protect the owner?

That's why you want a personal protection dog? So, you don'tlive in a scary neighborhood, you don't have a stalker, your house has not been burglarized, nobody threatens your life,you never were in a fight as an adult, nothing negativeis goingon in your life and you want to own a dog capable of killing a human or seriously crippling him for life at the very least, on a command - because it's cool?

I don't particularly "like" guns either, as defined by NRA gun nuts and a lot of Republican "conservative" and "fair and balanced" people types,but I own guns. It's just a tool, like any other tool, designedt o be used for a particular purpose, there is nothing to like or dislike about it. It's the person holding the gun being the weird variable, not the gun itself. Truly responsible gun ownership and maturity of the person ownng guns takes care of all the worries of gun ownership.

I think you might have missed my point . My point was being that the dog was ready to protect, whether the police officers were playing around or not, he was there.

To say the least, yes, I think it was cool...and I still do. No, I don't live in a scary neighborhood, but not the safest...I don't have a stalker (I think lol)...my house has not been burglarized (yet). But my purpose of having a ppd is to feel a little more comfortable knowing I have something that will protect me and my family, family meaning my parents who are old, to the best of their ability. You can never be too safe, right? Do I, or anyone, have to wait till something negative to happen and then get a ppd or a gun? Why not avoid that by the taking precautions? Yes, there are other ways...but neither you or I can predict the future. "You never know what might or could happen". And whose to say that something negative won't happen even if we did/do take necessary precautions? At least if something does, I can tell myself that I did something instead of kicking myself for my inactions.

And I totally agree with you about the responsibility of owning a gun. But I think it goes the same way with owning a ppd dog. It's like the stereotyping of pit bulls. Some people think that all pit bulls are vicious dogs. But I feel no dog is born vicious, it's the way the dog was raised...owners of the dog. (not to say that I wouldn't be scared of a pit bull if I were to see one on the streets lol). 

And please DO NOT take my response in any way, shape or form, as attacking or insulting you. I just hope I made sense in my response? lol

In other words, you don't recommend me getting a puppy for the purpose of a ppd? lol

Luke

I think everyone should train their dog for Schutzhund. Join a club, buy some videos and find someone willing to help you get started. Then you can branch out into PPDs. There is no difference. Schutzhund literally means "protection dog".

LOL scout....you are absolutely right!! totally forgot that schutzhund translate to "protection dog". but thank you, that actually does make sense too to do that first.

Luke

in answer to the new questions posted:

1. see the above replies, good info

2. No. Especially not if you don't have a really good reason, like a stalker or drug dealers living right next to you (I had both six months ago! yay.) You just need a gun and a "deterrent" dog... Think of the sort of people who would try to break into your house for a quick buck. Lazy, cowards, probably a little stupid...this is not a description of everyone that would do that, but typical. Most of the time, one dog with a loud scary bark is enough for them to choose an easier target. And for the very rare occasion that someone would brave the scary dog and try to do you harm...get a gun. The dog will at least be a hindrance and distraction while you grab your shotgun or handgun. Personally, we have guns and one scary looking dog with a machine-gun bark. Regardless of whether or not he would actually defend us, he certainly sounds like it and that's all most people want to know. (BTW - his bark makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up, and I've been around some mean sounding dogs)

FYI one thing to consider is that a dog trained in personal protection might open up a whole new legal can o' worms...anyone have experience in that and want to comment? Just a thought, especially if you don't have a really really good reason to need a ppd. I think here in North Carolina (maybe just specific to Raleigh?) there's some sort of ordinance about "attack" trained dogs...think you have to be registered, etc., etc. Correct me if I'm wrong.

There isnt even a remote similarity between a sport dog and a protection dog. If a dog does both then its merely a coincidence. The only thing that might be beneficial about Schutzhund is that it "should" give the handler some control over the dog although it is often not the case.

Nothing wrong with having a protection dog. you have a dog like that then you accept full responsibility. So you accept that if you screw up then its not the dog's fault and you could do jailtime and or pay fines and lawsuits and the dog might get put down.

Hello again. I didn't take your response as an insult, or anything of that nature. If anything you are actualy very courteous and polite,  but a bit naive and haven't thought this through too much. Yes, it is sort of "cool" to have a highly trained dog as a buddy and a sidekick, who is there for you, but it's a long road to get there unless you shell big bucks.

Poster Mollyandjack gave you very good suggestions, read it a few times.

You just have to understand if you get a "fully" trained personal protection dog, the prosand cons of owning such an animal.

Getting a puppy from good working bloodlines and raising it yourself is a fine idea, then join the schutzhund club when the time for the puppy comes (around 6 months or even less).

Also, you have to understand that schutzhund training and training for personal protection dog very much split at some point.

They are virtually identical in the "foundation" phase, then one sharply curves in one direction and another one takes the turn in the opposite direction. True, it is a whole lot easier to "retrain" an accomplished schutzhund dog to dopersonal protection, then to start from scratch.

Also, you have to understand owning a puppy that grows up to be an 80 lbs all muscle and insatiable desire to "do something" is a lot of responsibility and time vested in the dog.

Such dogs have very high drives and they have tobe CONSTANTLY stimulated both mentally and physically.

Countless times... ok, not countless but 4 or 5 timesI really didn't fell like going out in the rain, wind and cold weather, so the dog can do some tracking and run around. But I did it, cause he'll chew a sofa...

Dogs like that are highly intelligent and they just like kids, do get stir crazy and they have to be doing something a lot every day. So, it's time investment as well as a lot of other intangibles.

Also, by the way, schutzhund or no schutzhund,personal protection or no personal protection - a good dog will do something if his owner is threatened or at least act as a detterent with a strong bark.

Dogs, just likemany other animalsand humans too have all kinds of different barks and sounds, from whinning to high pitch playful bark to deep,chesty defensive and alerting bark. Unmistekable when you hear it and most bad guys want to do nothing with a big dog standing their ground behind a house door giving a ear splitting bark.

My dog used that bark only a few times when a stranger approached the house at night, son of a bitch gave me a headache how loud and don't fuck me me vibe it gave. 99.9% of burglars or whoever hearing that would say - I'm good, I'llchoose another house. Most of the time all you need is that. To get more than that, training is needed, start with schutzhund then in 2 years come back and let us know of theprogress and what else you could do with the puppy.

Having no experience in either field, I can't comment on exactly which would be the better, but I do know that in terms of personal protection...The above posts from Adi Ibrahimbegovic make more sense...Get a gun and let the dog do the deterring...

A few self defense classes, some accuracy classes with the gun so you can hit your target, and a dog whose bark will let them know they picked the wrong house...

Maybe a sign that says "Forget the dog, BEWARE THE OWNER."