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Kalibeck

by Kalibeck on 08 August 2011 - 21:08

My pup had an intrasussception at 7 months, she had not ingested anything nor had she parasites, the veterinary surgeon felt it was the food she was eating that caused the inflammation that led to the telescoping of the bowel into itself. The surgeon then plicated her bowel after correcting the intrasussception, stapled the entire length of her bowel to the lining of her gut, because as he was fixing the initial intrasussception, he said he could see it starting again in a different spot. Then he kept her on plain rice & a little boiled chicken for a week, & kept her sedated on tramadol for 7 days, to SLOW the motility of her gut. If you go to the site of the American College of Veterinary Surgeons, they list statistics for reoccurrence; if you follow the route of plication, very conservative feeding, keeping the dog on a limited activity while on sedation, & the 7 days of sedation to slow the bowel down.....the risk of re occurrence is almost nil. Yes, a major & very expensive surgery. Heritable? I don't know, but I won't breed her anyway, because of it. And the irritating dog food? The ingredient that the surgeon stated was "very poorly tolerated by some dogs" is beet pulp. Read your labels, it's in some very costly foods. Also, the surgeon said that young dogs, under 1 year of age, do poorly if the bowel has started to necrose, even if that section is removed. The reason he stated was that the bowel's dying tissues release an enzyme that start a cascade of events that challenge the dog's immune system the same way sepsis or a heart attack would, & younger dogs are less equipped to deal with that situation. He recommended that my girl be put to sleep should her bowel be necrotic, but we were lucky. Her bowel was just starting to turn purple, once straightened out, it pinked back up immediately, thus limiting the damage done. Still, we really couldn't afford the $4000.00+ this cost us. I'm sure no one who buys a puppy expects to have to ante up this kind of money days to months after bringing home a puppy.
Wouldn't it be great if you could predict these things? I know no breeder wants to breed a puppy that brings such heartbreak.....we sure didn't! Our puppy was from our own litter. Hopefully we will be able to know if this is heritable someday soon, & have some sort of screening for it. I think it has to do with the ratio of depth of chest to narrowness of waist.
But, anyway, this is long winded, but I want to get the word out on BEET PULP in dog kibble, & on the route of care that best treats intrasussception, so that fewer must go through this, & those that do have better outcomes!
jackie harris

starrchar

by starrchar on 08 August 2011 - 21:08

Ok, so the vet suspected intussusception, but the ultrasound showed the problem was ME. That makes sense. I'm sure the necropsy will validate the diagnosis of ME.  I sure hope the breeder will replace Kotch with another pup of equal quality when your cousin is ready. Of course we can never truly replace a precious much loved pup :( , but I think you know what I mean.

Ruger1

by Ruger1 on 08 August 2011 - 22:08

Intussusception — In very young pups (and other animals including humans) the intestine can invaginate (one part slips inside another). The condition, also referred to as “telescoping intestines”, also occurs in adults, but not as frequently. Most common immediate causes include worms, obstruction by indigestible materials, garbage, or toxic substances. The German Shepherd seems to experience a high incidence of this disorder and I believe there is a genetic propensity, a familial trait, in certain bloodlines.

 Esophagus Affliction— Congenital esophageal achalasia is also known by many other names such as cardiospasm, megaesophagus, dilated esophagus, and ectasia. The disorder appears to be caused by a simple autosomal recessive in German Shepherds, although it is highly variable in expression. After briefly consulting me, genetics worker Danielle LaGrave wrote an article for the November 2002 GSDCA Review on this subject, and concluded, “I had hoped to have a definitive answer as to how megaesophagus in the GSD is inherited. But regrettably, I was unable to.” My example of a pedigree study in “The Total German Shepherd Dog” (www.hoflin.com) apparently was not convincing enough for her. While reportedly only about one percent of the dog population may be involved, mortality rate in pups is fairly high. Even when PRAA (Persistent Right Aortic Arch) has been ruled out as the cause, I believe the percentage in German Shepherds is quite a bit higher than that reported one percent. Correspondents in the late 1990s have given me testimonial comments that they believe the incidence is on the rise, but this, too, may be more a matter of greater awareness. This abnormally large and flaccid “food-pipe” between the mouth and the stomach can be found in adults, but the most heartbreaking and serious cases are in pups early in the weaning and solid-food stage. The ballooning out reminds one of the extensibility of a pelican’s pouch. The more severe the expression, the earlier it manifests itself.

GSDs, Goldens, and Irish Setters seem most at risk, and if a pup survives to adulthood, the condition often causes or is associated with other esophagus problems, peripheral neuropathies, gastric dilation with or without torsion, and especially myasthenia gravis. Even in adults, many are euthanized or asphyxiate, due to progressive malnutrition, aspiration pneumonia, vomitus obstructing the air passage, and owner frustration over the regurgitation. Most adult cases that are presumed to be acquired have no cause discovered, which leads me to believe it is simply a milder form of the genetic problem that causes death by starvation in most pups between 5 and 8 weeks of age. Some veterinary references, however, stoutly consider these genetically/environmentally different disorders. A loss of peristaltic action is probably due to a disorder of the afferent nerves. This is why there is no successful medical, pharmaceutical, or surgical treatment. There may be a connection with other nerve disorders, even giant axonal neuropathy, which mimics HD and GSD myelopathy. Some have gone so far as to hint that a general immune system deficiency is at the root of this problem, as it appears to be in so many disorders: pannus, Demodex susceptibility, DM, and more.

Symptoms of megaesophagus include slow or halted growth, weight loss, dehydration, water in the lungs, and persistent and progressively worse vomiting of food minutes after swallowing. The disorder usually is detected at or


Ruger1

by Ruger1 on 08 August 2011 - 22:08

The disorder usually is detected at or slightly after the commencement of weaning. As food slightly stretches the esophagus on the way down, an affected pup’s muscles apparently fail to contract enough to prevent the food bolus from staying in a pouch just in front of the entrance to the stomach. In time, the muscles become progressively weaker and less able to squeeze the food ball, and even liquid food remains in a hanging “pelican pouch” forward of and below the stomach entrance. As with PRAA, the pup becomes emaciated and listless, often dying of starvation. In fact, the two conditions may be indistinguishable without autopsy. The pedigree study in my GSD book gives food for thought.

A definitive diagnosis can be obtained by giving a “barium swallow”, a concoction that contains heavy barium sulfate in emulsion or suspension, like a chalky milkshake. A radiograph is taken or fluoroscopy performed immediately afterwards, and the opacity of the cocktail clearly shows where it is. In the normal pup, it will be moving into and through the stomach, but in the dog with megaesophagus, most of it will be seen collected in that pouch ahead of the stomach. An experienced breeder or dog watcher may be able to save you a trip to the vet, but it is a good idea to make sure with a professional evaluation, so you can better plan the next breeding.

Megaesophagus signs appearing at old age are not typical, but dogs with “very mild cases” may not present with noticeable signs until older, when the owner perhaps is watching more during and after meals. Also, similar symptoms can be caused by other disorders. One correspondent, when pressed on the issue of her 8 year-old “suddenly” showing signs, admitted that he had classic symptoms at 7-8 weeks (not long after weaning onto solid food), which points toward megaesophagus. A second opinion from a veterinarian who has a lot more experience in megaesophagus may have been needed, and that is what I advised her to get. I told her that there is a late-onset form that may be related to other disease states, but I was suspicious because of the history at age 7-8 weeks.

Mild or moderate expression of megaesophagus should not be a problem in the individual, non-breedable pet except after eating — which could be for many hours, though. If it is megaesophagus (inherited or acquired esophageal dilation) you might better control it by having the dog eat more-liquid-like meals, small servings, many times a day, and standing on his hind legs such as eating/drinking from a table with his front feet up where the bowl is. Also keep him as upright as you can for a while after meals. This might be the wisest management method. I suggested she might consult with a vet who would not advise surgery at this age — most surgical procedures to “correct” megaesophagus are not satisfactory. It is a very involved operation, with very low rates of success, and is highly expensive.

Informaton taken from the Videx wedsite....


harley

by harley on 08 August 2011 - 23:08

lets see what happens. ya just never know. i just said it to my husband, they are living beings, not furniture.
you just do not know what is going to happen whether it be a puppy or an older dog who bloats.
and we love them so MUCH,
especially when you do not have children and you've been waiting to get the right dog at the right time and something happens.
he is really in a true state of grieving and we have all been there with that "SPECIAL" dog.
thanx everyone i have passed on the condolances

dogshome9

by dogshome9 on 10 August 2011 - 01:08

Megaesophagus, shows up very soon after weaning.

I have a now 9 week old puppy here bred by me, her symptoms did not show up immediately after weaning as the early feeds where quite liquid as I added goat milk to make a soup like consistency and all puppies thrived but as I took the milk away I noticed that this one puppy would occasionally vomit up her food. I started to feed her separate thinking that she was just a glutton and getting more than her fair share of the food but she would still have an occasional vomit.
As I live in a rural area my local vet does not usually stock contrast so it is on order ATM so we will xray when it arrives but I am certain that it will show ME. At the moment she is on a liquid blended diet and still having an occasional vomit, from what I have seen in the last 48 hours I don't think that she will cope with her problem an sadly will most likely be PTS.

My puppy did have a home to go to but I stopped the sale as I soon as I stopped hiding my head in the sand  and suspected ME.

But the reason for my post IS that the BREEDER should have known that this puppy had a problem  regurgitation is very obvious in a puppy.

trixx

by trixx on 10 August 2011 - 02:08

i had a litter one time  that had a few pups have intussusception, it was cause by coccida and it was very sad as a few did pass away.

Red Sable

by Red Sable on 10 August 2011 - 20:08

"My puppy did have a home to go to but I stopped the sale as I soon as I stopped hiding my head in the sand  and suspected ME.

But the reason for my post IS that the BREEDER should have known that this puppy had a problem  regurgitation is very obvious in a puppy."


Bless you for your honesty concerning your pup.  

  If in this case it was overlooked,,,,,  the costs are something to the tune of heartbreak and $4000. 00.   Waaay too much.
When you charge that much money for a puppy,($1800+) you had better be on top of everything, and that pup had better be in perfect order before being sold.


Lief

by Lief on 10 August 2011 - 20:08

its often not obvious when they are still with the littermates if the people  are unaware of the condition because the other puppies gobble up the vomit quickly..and people have a tendency to excuse things away!

harley

by harley on 10 August 2011 - 21:08

THEIR REPLY,
Hello Tony,(still my cousin) ;)))

Thank you for sending the records. Charlie has made an appointment with his
veterinarian for review. We still do not understand why he would have
hiccups and regurgitate, when he was perfectly fine here. Also, would you
mind sending us the records of the other vets, please.
We will honor our commitment for replacement of the puppy in case of a
genetic problem. 

Thank you! 

Sigrid
  then this is what he wrote to me------

Dawn below is their reply, i can't help but feel like their is an undertone that  they are not sure if we did the right things.... am i just reading into it?

red sable the pup was not 4,000 the bills were.
the pup was 2,500 total





 


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