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alboe2009

by alboe2009 on 11 February 2011 - 06:02

argh argh

yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 11 February 2011 - 06:02

Frankly  I think we are all talking about something we do not even know what we are talking about.!!

Just saying!!


YR

Prager

by Prager on 11 February 2011 - 14:02

There is no such thing as wolf hybrid. Thus all this discussion is off base. Just like any legislations against wolf hybrids.
Hybrid is a cross between 2 species and are usually sterile. Like horse and donkey or horse and zebra. Wolf and your GSD or  Dachshund are of the same species. If you do not know the breeding pedigree of such cross then there is no practical way to determine for anybody and that includes gov.  jack booted thug with gun if this animal is part wolf or not. Usually there is 50% braking point. It is all BS created by animal rights activists. 
I personally have seen some of these and  I would not have one,  but that is my choice.
However  I will fight for your choice to have one. It is called LIBERTY. 
Funny concept. Some of you here should check into it.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com 

FlashBang

by FlashBang on 11 February 2011 - 14:02

Dogs are a subspecies of wolves (for the most part.)  The etomology of the term "hybrid" will always be debated, but in most genetics books and other reference materials states that "hybrid" merely means (in relation to both animals and plants) a combination of two dissimilar subjects based on species, breed, variety, etc. 

The whole wolf, dog, wolf/hybrid (or wolf/dog cross..as to what I will refer to them as herein) issue has always been a debate though. 

I can say, from my experience with wolves and the majority of wolf/dog cross, THEY ARE NOT PETS.  

While I do live in Georgia where wolves and wolf/dog crosses are illegal to be bred, sold, kept as pets, etc. without the proper license (which is only given to wildlife rehabilitation centers properly licensed through the USDA and GDA, wildlife education centers, and animal parks) I do have firsthand experience with them.  I volunteered for a decade with a wildlife rehabilitation and education center, and they had no less than four wolf /dog crosses before sending them to a wolf and wolf/dog cross sanctuary in another state.  

How did they have them?  Same way they had a mountain lion that was "tamed" (I use that word lightly.)  People got them thinking they "looked cool," they "always loved wolves," and they "watched National Geographic and wanted to own one."  What they thought wolves and a wolf/dog crosses were two opposite ends of the spectrum.  Doorways eaten, skittish animals, shy animals, unpredictable, pacing, etc.  You know...how wolves are in the wild.  

As for the mountain lion, she was confiscated during a drug raid.  Her previous owners had her canines removed, had her declawed (and this was NOT done by a licensed Veterinarian, I can assure you) and fed her canned cat and dog food.  Needless to say before the age of ten she was euthanized due to nutritional deficits causing permanent musculoskeletal damage and disease.  

ggturner

by ggturner on 11 February 2011 - 15:02

According to one of my Biology textbooks, hybrid is defined as "the offspring of two animals or plants of different races, breeds, varieties, species, or genera."   My genetics book defines hybrid as "an individual produced by crossing two parents of different genotypes."  Either way, the term "wolf hybrid"  is an appropriate term for an animal that is the result of mating a wolf with a dog.  Therefore there is such a thing as a wolf hybrid. 

MaggieMae

by MaggieMae on 11 February 2011 - 15:02

According to this article Wolf Hybrid is an incorrect term.........Wolf and Dog are of the same species.   I agree Hans' post.


www.inetdesign.com/wolfdunn/wolfdogfaq/hybrids.html



ggturner

by ggturner on 11 February 2011 - 15:02

Sorry, but that article was not written by a geneticist.  The term hybrid is a genetics term.  Any organism that does not asexually reproduce is technically a hybrid in terms of genetics because the traits come from more than one parent and each parent has a different genotype.  Hence, the definition of a hybrid being "an individual crossed by two parents of different genotypes."   You can disagree if you want, but it doesn't make you correct.   I did study Genetics in college and teach it to my high school biology students.  

Prager

by Prager on 11 February 2011 - 15:02


 I am still waiting to be impressed by your credentials Mr professor.  Wolf and dog do not have dissimilar genotype. If they would they coud not produce non sterile offspring. Many individuals within the species have different but similar genotype.
Hans

ggturner

by ggturner on 11 February 2011 - 16:02

Genotypes refers to specific genes, such as the gene for eye color, skin color, hair color, etc.  An offspring gets genes from both parents.  For example, the ability in humans to roll their tongue is a dominant trait, T, and the inability to roll the tongue is a recessive trait, t.  An individual who inherits the dominant gene, T,  to roll their tongue from let's say their father and inherits the recessive gene, t, or the inability to roll their tongue from their mother has the GENOTYPE "Tt" and is heterozygous for rolling their tongue.  Did you even take genetics when you were in school?   Look up the definition of hybrid and genotype for yourself. And, BTW, I am a female (genotype XX---just in case you didn't know).

Prager

by Prager on 11 February 2011 - 16:02

Also such laws have often percentages. Like more then 50% wolf less then 50% dog. How do you determine that ? I am very sore about these laws because I know of 2 cases where these animals were torn away from their loving homes just on the experts say so that the animal looks like more then 50% wolf and then were p.t.s.They both were nice animals.  I am from the government and I am here to help you.
 Also Czechoslovakian wolf-dog which is a recognized breed by FCI as a breed is recent creation  of a new breed by mixing a wolf and GSD.
Hans






 


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