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by Phil Behun on 01 December 2010 - 03:12
by Felloffher on 01 December 2010 - 03:12
The dog in my avatar is also very dog aggressive, but when in drive working other dogs don't exist. Left to make his own decisions he just attacks no warning. He will hackle up at other dogs tail up over his back, but not while on leash. He has done the samething during a couple of real encounters, like I said before if it's a fear based reaction he works through it fine.
by GSDguy08 on 01 December 2010 - 03:12
by Slamdunc on 01 December 2010 - 04:12
Phil,
Perhaps what Jransom, meant was the "recall?" One dog is in the long down while the other dog is recalled form the down out of motion. I know you know this, just explaining my response.
Felloffher,
Unlike Phil, I don't have a big issue with a dog whose hackles go up around other dogs. I do have an issue with a dog who's hackles go up around people. I don't if your dog has a fear based reaction, some dogs go forward and work thoriugh or channel it into drive or aggression; depending on the situation.
However, Phil makes an excellent point in regards to the hackles and sport training. I do agree with Phil's point and he makes a very valid one regarding a trial situation. That is good advice and should be noted by anyone planning on doing SchH with a potentially dog aggressive dog.
If your dog can work and stay on task ignoring other dogs, that is great. Half the dogs in our unit can be let loose to run together and it is great for the dogs. We muzzle all the dogs and let them loose and see what happens, my dog doesn't play well with the other K9's and has wound up fighting 3 at once. He no longer gets to romp with the other dogs. It is unfortunate because it a great stress reliever for the dogs that can get along and play nicely.
Jim
by Uber Land on 01 December 2010 - 04:12
I see Jyota as being dominant or displaying dominance, but not dog aggression. if it was dog aggression, she would just attack the other dogs. she isn't, she is doing what an alpha would, and that is take the toy away. all toys are hers. and if Sitasmom wants to do sport with her, I see no problem with her being possessive like this.
raised hackles is just another form of doggy language. mine do it while playing, they do it running the fence line when another animal or a stranger is going down the road.
If Jyota was doing this out of fear, her tail would be tucked. and I doubt she would be actively stealing the toy away from the older dogs.
as for me stating being possessive over the sleeve was ok, I didn't mean towards her handler, if she wants to get it away from the helper, or not let the helper get it back, then fine, better than a dog with no interest whatsoever. it may lead to equipment orientation and not being aggressive towards the "man" but its alot better than some of the showlines out there who have no drive or desire to engage the helper.
but I am sure many would disagree with me.
by sueincc on 01 December 2010 - 04:12
Maybe this is only a disagreement about semantics, but I am pretty sure dogs feel fear. This is why almost all dogs can be pushed to the point of running, self preservation in the face of what has been determined to be insurmountable odds, live to fight another day - AKA fear of imminent death. Fear, sex, food, keeps species alive. An animal cannot sit and analyze whether or not it's fear is justified, but it can most definitely feel fear.
I know there will be someone who will pop in and tell a story about how their dog would never back down in the face of adversity, no matter what, it would die before it ran, even if it wasn't 'protecting you", even if the escape route was as obvious as a 4 lane highway, but please, until you can prove it, it's just a story.
by Uber Land on 01 December 2010 - 04:12
I've been around one too many severely abused rescue dogs to believe that statement. the saddest thing in the world is to see a dog overcome with fear, just the look in their eyes is enough to break me.
self preservation is also the strongest instinct in the world, maybe outside of maternal instinct. but this is a little off topic.
by Phil Behun on 01 December 2010 - 05:12
by Uber Land on 01 December 2010 - 05:12
Why would someone consider raised hackles a fault or sign of weakness? not arguing with you Phil, just don't understand why it would be a reason to take points away or a fault of the dogs when it is natural body language.
by Felloffher on 01 December 2010 - 05:12
Every dog has a breaking point, some higher than others.
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