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by raymond on 28 October 2010 - 19:10
The division that exists between the wda and usca wether it is real or percieved must be resolved! Is there not unity in the german shepherd dog world in other parts of the world! does not germany have a unified agenda for the gsd? The gsd in america is fractured and divided! Does germany aspire to keep this situation current so that america does not rise and surpass the germans in breeding and trials? working lines show lines ect,ect,ect, dual menbership or not it all contributes to keeping the people from fully enjoying training and trialing! IMO one dog one club one direction! After all unless you know where you are going even the best leadership will get you lost!
by eichenluft on 02 November 2010 - 12:11
yes, Raymond. good post.
Lyle has had his day and he's now created a split in the sport that can only be resolved by getting a new leadership on board. Matt is a member interested in bringing the CLUB back to the members. He will have plenty of help communicating with the SV and etc. We need a new direction "up" not continuing in the current direction "down into the dumps". Many changes need to be made, and only a new leadership can hope to accomplish those changes - it is more than obvious the current leadership has no plans to.
molly
Lyle has had his day and he's now created a split in the sport that can only be resolved by getting a new leadership on board. Matt is a member interested in bringing the CLUB back to the members. He will have plenty of help communicating with the SV and etc. We need a new direction "up" not continuing in the current direction "down into the dumps". Many changes need to be made, and only a new leadership can hope to accomplish those changes - it is more than obvious the current leadership has no plans to.
molly
by Bob McKown on 02 November 2010 - 12:11
UScA does not need a WDA member as president!. It needs a president who has the foresight and experience to handle a National organization and deal with International interests and agendas. It needs experience and a interest in the memberships needs and desires.
It needs a leader who,s purpose is sound and is a example of what we all desire for the Organization. It needs a leader who can set a national agenda with purpose and clarity.
Unfortunately neither have that ability or experience. Yes UScA needs new leadership.
by Bob McKown on 02 November 2010 - 12:11
Raymond:
Nothing that has happened in UScA or the GSDCA-WDA effects your abality to train and trial if it has then you do a disservice to your dog. Politics should never effect training of your dog.
Nothing that has happened in UScA or the GSDCA-WDA effects your abality to train and trial if it has then you do a disservice to your dog. Politics should never effect training of your dog.

by raymond on 02 November 2010 - 13:11
Bob I will prove your supposition wrong from my experience! Last year when this JA amendment came up ! Our club which is one or the oldest club in northern ilinois was tore apart and almost destroyed! the main contention was that many felt usca had no right to dictate which club a member could belong to! Our club was decemated of membership ! We lost more than 50% of our membership! Our director of training as well as our helper! Now I am sure you know just how vindictive dog people can be and are1 So the actions of usca has critically damaged my ability to train thus damaging my aspirations to trial!From helpers that have no desire to be challanged but want the "easy dogs" to train to the kennel owners who will break tails to win trophies right down to the leadership that tells me I can not be a member of wda! Now if the policies of usca had been unifying instead of divisive I wiould still have many people who I could train with instead of the one handfull we now have! So bob the policies of usca have affected my ability to train and trial! so now should I go to petco and train then trial? or pay out thousands of dollars and rtrial at midnight? And that one club member who is wda that told me to never bring my dog back and waste their time can kiss my asss but am I expected to go back and waste theri time when her freakin dog would run from the helper in the blind? the sv desires the division in america so they maintain the full drip on the breed and the politics! Otherwise the sv would put a stop to the bullshit!
by Bob McKown on 02 November 2010 - 13:11
Raymond:
Sundays I drive 4 hours (to and from) to train. Wednesdays nites I drive 3 hours to train (to and form) Saturday,s depending on where I train I and drive 2 to 4 hours each way. I,m happy with where I train and No political agenda and No personnel agenda will effect how I train. I owe my dogs that much. UScA or GSDCA-WDA can go to hell in a hand basket..and I will find good people to train with. Agendas don,t set training people do it,s your choice how to be distracted.
There are several clubs in Northern Illinois try another
Sundays I drive 4 hours (to and from) to train. Wednesdays nites I drive 3 hours to train (to and form) Saturday,s depending on where I train I and drive 2 to 4 hours each way. I,m happy with where I train and No political agenda and No personnel agenda will effect how I train. I owe my dogs that much. UScA or GSDCA-WDA can go to hell in a hand basket..and I will find good people to train with. Agendas don,t set training people do it,s your choice how to be distracted.
There are several clubs in Northern Illinois try another
by Einstein on 02 November 2010 - 13:11
Bob Mckown,
You bring up an intesting point.
The GSDCA-WDA membership issue. What are your views on some one who was an active member of GSDCA-WDA, member, teaching helper as well as a member of the supposed rogue club in Germany, Dr. Raiser's SV 2000?
This same person that rescinds his membership right before he pushes the exclusion amendment.
Another point.
Politics affect (correct word - effect is a noun, not a verb) all walks of life. Business, relationships, dog training, sports in schools, papers, scores.
If you think not, you are very naive.
You bring up an intesting point.
The GSDCA-WDA membership issue. What are your views on some one who was an active member of GSDCA-WDA, member, teaching helper as well as a member of the supposed rogue club in Germany, Dr. Raiser's SV 2000?
This same person that rescinds his membership right before he pushes the exclusion amendment.
Another point.
Politics affect (correct word - effect is a noun, not a verb) all walks of life. Business, relationships, dog training, sports in schools, papers, scores.
If you think not, you are very naive.

by raymond on 02 November 2010 - 14:11
Bob : presently I am unable to travel great distances to train! Those people who remained with our club are some of the most dedicated individuals I have met so far in the dog world! I have recieved only postitive reinforcement from this small but dedicated grou of individuals: we just recently got the services of an excellent teaching helper ! with me it is not about the politics! usca telling me who I can and can not be associated with! HA they can pound sand! the so called members who say (get another dog) HA they can pound sand as well as the primadonna helpers who are nothing more than a moving arm!HA Perhaps I am just a grumpy ole fart? Na 1 not me! the politia
cal agendas are meaning less as long as the membership puts their foot down! for me it is all about supprting my fellow members and their dogs and their sucess!
cal agendas are meaning less as long as the membership puts their foot down! for me it is all about supprting my fellow members and their dogs and their sucess!

by Q Man on 02 November 2010 - 14:11
Seems to me that any organization that dictates it's members to NOT belong to any other organization is very very INSECURE....
I think that USA has it's hands in too many pots and wants control of it all...Sooner or later the pot's gonna BOIL OVER...
USA wants to be another SV....And that's very treacherous footsteps...
Some of the ideas are good...but the leadership is so poor that it's leading to poor decisions and self promotion agendas...
Does all this sound familiar? I hope everyone remembered to VOTE Today!!!
~Bob~
I think that USA has it's hands in too many pots and wants control of it all...Sooner or later the pot's gonna BOIL OVER...
USA wants to be another SV....And that's very treacherous footsteps...
Some of the ideas are good...but the leadership is so poor that it's leading to poor decisions and self promotion agendas...
Does all this sound familiar? I hope everyone remembered to VOTE Today!!!
~Bob~

by raymond on 02 November 2010 - 15:11
Yes Q man and in the interview lyle gave he proclaimed his intentions reguarding the ja issue! He said he supported the amendment because he wanted to protect the democracy that usca enjoyed and also protect usca from it's enemies! What a crock of poop!
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