Aggression disposition - Page 4

bob , if the parents of thiscombination are good and complement each other , you have a interesting combination coming
linebreeding on the Alitter thit itself is linebred to verwin  gives you a nice buildup in pedigree that will enlarge your chances to create something similar

ive been looking in europe to find a dog thats decent linebred on robby or his offspring but its not to be found anymore , some belgium breeders did but it got lost or was watered down

this was one
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/133273.html

im curious though were the agression comes from in your pedigree , and if it is handleragression or agression towards others

Bob, I am such a rank beginner, I don't know how my opinion can matter, but I'll give it a try. LOL

I see many familiar names that tell me you will have some serious dogs from the workinglines: Troll, Orry, Tiekerhook and Karthago, stand out for me. I don't know about the disposition of Condor, but he is a stunning bicolor and I think my dog has him somewhere in his pedigree, too, I think that gives melanistic pigmentation to the mix? Not even sure if I said that correctly. The only big, toughy whose name seems to be missing is Fero.

Other than that, I haven't a clue. I do think that these dogs are not for beginners, and you know that, so you will place them accordingly. 

Verwin, Fado and Natz........

I will talk a little about these 3 dogs.......Bob you jump in and tell what you think, and how
much research you have done so far.

Verwin, ..Is a major tangible in the working dog world. I had a conversation with a
well known National champion who has used Verwins line and competed against them
as well. You have Robbie his father who is a magic cross with west and east German working
lines. I ask my friend if he thought Verwin was equal to his father or better as a sire. (Hardcore question).
He said that he felt that in the working aspect he did fell you got a better dog to handle. He all so
felt Verwin was one of may 5 of the best lines to come off of.  I feel Verwin is maybe  one of 2-3 lines
you want to see in a working pedigree.

Fado...  It is my confirmed beleaf,  was the best son off Alfa vom Stoppenbergerland, the
famous Karthago bitch. As a sire and as a World champion.  The combination of Fado and Verwin
off spring have already dominated the working trials for the German Shepherd.  What I see now is
Some lines being bred to V rated working/Conformation dogs in Germany. No one wants an ugly dog.
However the formula has been around for at least 10 years.

Natz  .........Fado son, was the glue to Trolls success as a sire. When Bee Tree says you always
look at the parents first and foremost. She is absolutely right. If I wanted to know more about Troll,
the first person I would talked to,.. would be Natz's owner.

My feeling about this breeding is that the DDR lines off the Vom Haus Iris line will be a major factor
that will determine if Bob strikes gold with this breeding.

Max, I'm curious because this is interesting. You said you would talk about these dogs and the deepest you went was to say that they are great. I was hoping for a bit more substance. Can you expand?

Sam,
               I gear the commit for people that have some or little knowledge
of these dogs. Not necessarily for some one like yourself that either
has a profound understanding or is just hoping to get a cheap shot.
Lets let others respond to what I have said good or bad. Or specific questions.

The  thing I like is vom Huas Iris line  that comes off some good old DDR lines.
But that is not a guarantee, but a hopeful.

More commonly you will see Pike or Aly used to maintain the working integrity
of a Verwin- Fado mix. But if you go back say 10-15 years ago you will see a lot
more DDR lines balancing the working side. This was a tried and true way to
breed.

What is your take Sam, any thing specific? Don't just play off my contribution add some thing
yourself  like Bee Tree did.  She said look at the mother and father. Very good statement.

 max , funny idea that the haus iris line in this combination  will be the major factor in this combination , can you tell me why you think so , and what strong points it will bring

furthermore you say

Natz .........Fado son, was the glue to Trolls success as a sire.

howcome???? natz was a combination bred dog , part showline ,part workingline(im not saying thats a bad thing)

my guess is that the natz breeding to produce troll ,worked well because the parents matched and they created a linebreeding on fado

can you give me some more great natz sons or doughters

Duke,
             Troll, and Task...........

What so funny about the Iris line? Make perfect since to me, but Bob is
doing the breeding ask him.

Duke,
            I realize now what you may have bumble on to.

When breeding...... it is important to look very carefully at what the bitch brings
to the table first!!!!

Than you can select a sire that will add the things that are necessary to
improve the bloodline. You ask what does this Dam need that she does not
have enough of. Than you look for a sire that will compliment her progeny.

you have to read better max , I didnot say there is anything funny about the haus iris line , but its funny to name it to be an important part in this combination

by other natz offspring I didnot mean a littermate of troll

I have seen some nice dogs out of Task  , but I must say he was bred to a SUPER bitch with a SUPER pedigree , so I think I will blame odeta z danaru for that  great offspring

but name some other great natz offspring

finally under the final picture (is that you)you are right , that is how I feel proper breeding is done , and thats why I hope the parents  bob will use are will compliment eachother , for then it could be an interesting combination
in my opinion this combination can produce some great  breedingmaterial for the future

The plan is that I get the female to my kennel work her over the fall and winter for her Bh and 1 in the spring. That will be the final part to this puzzle how she works and what she tells me about her self. and then a spring breeding. I,ll periodcally post info on her trainnig and some video of her work. to any one who might be intrested on the progression.