Welcome to the United Schutzhund Clubs of America - Page 4

I Agree, we should be able to compete in each other's trials. I think as things stand now, you can compete in a USA trial if you are a member of USA or an AWDF member club like DVG, no?

Yes, but if your scorebook is not a USCA scorebook you have to pay a tax/scorebook stamping fee.

USCA is the only thing standing in the way of one scorebook in the US. They are the ones that pushed the rule that WDA trials cannot crossover into an AWDF club. This means that if I trial my Malinois in a WDA trial the American Working Malinois Assoc. can't accept the title. So you see this bullshit even screws up other breeds also.

These are just two of the many reasons that USCA is loosing support among the other breed clubs in the AWDF.

I have no inherent problems with people having dogs titled in Germany but I have seen some shadiness with my own eyes.  I am not easily surprised and tend to be more of a pessimist and even I have been surprised in a bad way.  I'll bite my tongue but just know that I am not a showline vs. workingline person, I love them BOTH equally and own and train BOTH, but I have seen with my own eyes dogs trained and supposedly titled in Germany that could probably not walk onto their owner's front lawn and pass a BH.  I have also seen dogs trained in Germany that are/were very good dogs and definitely trained to the level the title states.   Basically I feel like if the dog comes back from being trialed and titled and cannot do the Schutzhund routines of their title or even the title lower on their home field in training when they return, then I have no choice but to question the training and the titles.  I agree with Christopher's statement, "I don't think that people discount dogs because they were sent away for training in Europe. I think they discount those dogs because they are never trialed once they come to the US."  My experiences with dogs being trained in Germany is that I will never ever purchase a showline dog without seeing both of the parents train or trial first.  I hope that is fair enough.

Hi Christopher,    I wasn't defending what USA did, and I do understand the various repercussions, I am only saying that at least you can still  trial if you want in a USA trial if you belong to an AWDF member club,  I wasn't offering this as the  solution.  I already said  that I agreed, we should all be able to trial in each others trials. 

AGAIN, in my area there are too few WDA trials to even consider changing horses at this stage of the game.  I will wait and see what happens, if WDA puts their money where their mouth is and pony up on trials, and also to see what happens with the Johannes amendment.

This is just the same old  griping about  what we have all been griping  about  since the latter part of last year.  I don't even know why the thread was started since their is nothing new to discuss, shame on me for taking the bait.  What's the point of rehashing all this?  More fighting?  Lovely.

If anyone want more trials in their area, why not make it happen?  Why hold it against one organization to have so few but not do anything about it?  I'm not trying to pick on anyone personally, I'm just wondering what the reasoning is b/c I keep seeing/hearing this excuse and yet the people complaining aren't making any more effort (in EITHER organization) to get more trials going, they are just waiting for someone else to have trials and then pointing fingers at the other organization for having too few.

Huh?  I'm not sure what you mean.  Can you be more specific?

do you know where the koreklass can be done by a photo in the mail? that would save lots of time and money

bwahaha

Well one things for sure, we live in interesting times! 

WDA has now said they will finally be stepping up to the plate regarding schutzhund. I'm sorry it took the Johannes Amendment for them to give a damn about schutzhund, but there it is. It just seems a little disengenous to me, so until they do, I'll stick with the organization that has been doing it for years, USA.

The best thing would be for the Johannes Amendment to be repealed.  I guess that's the one thing we can all agree on.

i've been to USA and WDA trials for a few years.  We've put on trials for both org's, always with SV judges and I can say I've never seen a difference between any of the trials i've been to, at our own club or others, USA or WDA.  Not in the quality of dogs, people, or judging.  

One thing for certain is most of the people I know that are training, don't care about who's who or what org they belong to.  They just like to train with good people and their dogs.  I wish it could always be that way.

how did they say this when?