Does anyone know V Treu vom Schäferstolz story? - Page 4

To the person who mentioned Don Rolandstiech . I had a few pups from him He was not know in DDR AS a working dog but a show dog. He was one of the top hip producers of all time 98.9 % of pups in DDR from him had a hips. He was a huge dog a nice dog. He produces well when bred with the correct female with good defense and fight drive.  DO not know much about  Mambo , but a good looking dog. Who ever said that the Chez dogs seem to be taller and less block than the old DDR dogs you are right . Those old DDr dogs where powerful and wide and great, GOD i wish We would have kept some of them and their genetics. Those old boys where for real and a pleasure to work. They were such fun in protection , so natural, so real, the DDR dogs you see today are from such a small gene pool that they don't even resemble the dogs from the late 80s early 90's

ibso52
That is a nice strong female. Dusa (Duscha) in Slovak or old Czech mens soul or Spirit. Good name!

Thanks guys for your kind words. Normally I know better then to even pay any attention to such slanders. Today was for some reason different.
Hans

 Who is Schaferhunden? Reminds me of a moron I got into it with a few years back about another dog...same deal- spreading ridiculous stories about well-respected dogs, and doing it all with horrendous grammar which really annoyed me. If you're going to be stupid, at least try to present it in a context that attempts to hide it.

Prager stated the truth on the dog's hips, and Schaferhunden has to go running with it as a means to tear the dog down. Sour grapes, anyone?

wrestleman
It is still there, just look for it and promote it. Some of the today's dogs are better now then they ever were. I have asked Jiri the question which stud dog in Jinopo and in AlpineK9 is just as good or better then the dogs from the old z Pohranicni straze. Someone made me to ask this good question.  I knew the answer and Jiri confirmed it by starting to name , Carly and then , Bady, Arno, Ox and then Nero.... and then he said:"... you know they are all better. I wish back then that I would have these dogs which I have now. And that is how it should be if you know what you are doing."
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

geez, argueing over a white chest,  I was expecting to see a panda shepherd looking dog,  thats nothing!

I'd take a pup with a white toe and spot on chest any day out of Mambo

I have to echo UberLand's opinion? What is the big deal about white spots anyway? Even the breed standard excuses them, as long as they are "inconspicious", which of course they are not regardless of size when you have a dark dog. I have never seen a dog being placed back in the show ring because of it. Not that I care about placements, that is just one person's opinion on any given day, but I do care about ratings. White spots are very common in our breed (all lines).
Here is my keeper out of my current litter which is part Czech and part German workinglines and she has a white spot on her chest!!! I guess I should give her away because of that, lol!

I would love to find a big boned, huge headed, small eared dog like those old DDR dogs today to work. In Australia there are a few guys with stored frozen sperm from some of the old DDR dogs. I know Evan Harbalis has some, I know Wolfgang told me a lot of the old DDR dogs and border dogs went to South Africa right before and after the wall want down. They needed real protection dogs and knew these would do the job. I had a sch 3 PSH 3 Fh 2 Barutherland male i got in 1990 that  had a head like the biggest rott ever, he was a hammer so so serious. He had worked as a border dog, but this was the best family dog ever he loved kids and my son was his best friend they where inseparable they spent days and days together in the woods playing war. I wonder if some of the old bloodlines where perserved in S Africa. Baldur Kranz also sold a lot of DDR dogs to South Africa as well

No Yoshi I donot have any videos. I should make some ,....in my spare time that is. LOL
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

Wrestleman, I had the pleasure and privilege, many years ago, to speak over the telephone to Herr Wermer Dalm, who was the Hauptzuchtwart (head breed warden) of the old DDR / SDG (Sektion Dienst und Gebrauchshundegewesen) for the DSH (German Shepherd Dog). Surprising to me, but he spoke quite good English!

I was taken aback and disappointed when he expressed some degree of frustration with Don vom Rolandsteich, saying that he was not really such a great dog and that he more or less got very lucky that the best bitches in the country were brought to him. Herr Dalm was no big fan of Don vom Rolandsteich, and this was a great disappointment to me. I didn't want to hear what he was saying.

On the other hand, he highly praised a dog of mine, Quai vom Baruther Land (who was then deceased for a few years). He told me, "Quai is a GOOOOD father-dog!" LOL.. Why he said this is that Quai did produce excellent offspring with never a cryptorchid (rare) and this is one of the great virtues of the DDR breeding system.. that they paid strict attention to the percentages of faults evaluated in six categories in the offspring of all stud dogs in thr DDR. All were indexed back to the sire and the data published for the breeders to use. The categories were thus..

hips (HD free), ear faults (weak, too wide), coat faults, dentition faults, temperament faults, testicle problems (missing / hidden) and also the dogs were expected to be of overall good quality, so this was also indexed. This was probably one of the best guidance systems ever devised. Papers were only granted to a dog after one year, when it was evaluated by a breed warden. This made it possible to collect and collaborate all of this data.