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by Keith Grossman on 05 February 2010 - 13:02
by Liesjers on 05 February 2010 - 13:02
I use the Bridgeport one. Got a size large (even though my male is smaller than many younger than him) and he wore it 7mos - 16mos.
by Onyxgirl on 05 February 2010 - 13:02
Bridgeport here too, very nice and strong. I have the tracking harness, but use it for protection work.
http://www.bridgeportequipment.com/ProductDetail.aspx?productId=96
http://www.bridgeportequipment.com/ProductDetail.aspx?productId=96
by animules on 05 February 2010 - 14:02
I use a harness like Sue posted when the dogs were young or now when working on specific things I don't want neck pressure for. I have seen too many dogs slip out of the other style to ever want one.
by Adi Ibrahimbegovic on 05 February 2010 - 23:02
Harness was used untilthe dog as I don't remember 13, or 14 months. then,it was replaced by a 2 inch wide leather agitation collar.
Harness is good for a young dog for more unrestriced movement, less pressure on the neck, better engagement of the helper, unrestricted barking and so on.
So, YES for harness when the dog is young.
Harness is good for a young dog for more unrestriced movement, less pressure on the neck, better engagement of the helper, unrestricted barking and so on.
So, YES for harness when the dog is young.
by LAVK-9 on 05 February 2010 - 23:02
"Yes, He is experienced enough as a Helper, one of the very best and in great demand, and another helper one of the very best in Belgium over 40 years handling G.S dogs as well as Training Trialing and Helping the Police train there Police Dogs said he was right, He told me that last night
He evidently does not like them and going by the way the Pup acted on that occasion and by the way she went last night with just a leather collar he in this case is correct, She was as you say over there Awesome Her speed is out of this world across the ground, Plus i have always used a Leather collar on a dog prior to buying this one and i will not be using the Harness again
Sunday i will try and take some photos of her on Protection but will have to get her breeder to handle her whist i take the Pic.s"
Well Steve1 that is all fine that there was a reason he didn't want your pup to have a harness but the way he talked to you I find very unprofessional. If there was a reason why he didn't want your dog to have a harness then fine...he should have explained that to you so you and others could learn as well. In some situations a harness is useful as I have learned with the helper I use to work with.. Look forward to seeing pics.You should hold your dog and have the breeder take the pics.
P.S. where are you located?
~L~
He evidently does not like them and going by the way the Pup acted on that occasion and by the way she went last night with just a leather collar he in this case is correct, She was as you say over there Awesome Her speed is out of this world across the ground, Plus i have always used a Leather collar on a dog prior to buying this one and i will not be using the Harness again
Sunday i will try and take some photos of her on Protection but will have to get her breeder to handle her whist i take the Pic.s"
Well Steve1 that is all fine that there was a reason he didn't want your pup to have a harness but the way he talked to you I find very unprofessional. If there was a reason why he didn't want your dog to have a harness then fine...he should have explained that to you so you and others could learn as well. In some situations a harness is useful as I have learned with the helper I use to work with.. Look forward to seeing pics.You should hold your dog and have the breeder take the pics.
P.S. where are you located?
~L~
by Adi Ibrahimbegovic on 06 February 2010 - 05:02
btw, if anyone wants my dog's old harness, they are welcome to it, not needed here anymore and it's just laying around in the trunk of a car
It's a good quality, chest padded, I guess Gappay or whoever the mannufacturer is, strong, leather harness. Just pay 8 bucks for shipping via paypal.
It's a good quality, chest padded, I guess Gappay or whoever the mannufacturer is, strong, leather harness. Just pay 8 bucks for shipping via paypal.
by steve1 on 06 February 2010 - 07:02
Lavik
I am not a beginner with Dogs all sorts of Dogs including working dogs of sorts from herding to ScH and have in the past helped to train young Dogs for the Blind so where dogs are concerned i am no novice and have owned and worked them etc them for 60 years but your posts suggest i am a beginner with dogs in this case working dogs
As regards knowing when to take offense when someone speaks to me I am not a child not am i a soft touch quite the opposite but if know the person that is okay, but if it upsets me enough to retaliate then the one involved had better be sharp for i never mess about talking, but in this case as soon as he said it i knew i had made a mistake, and i am not going to explain it here in detail the Pup is so keen to get at the helper the harness was hindering her and i could feel it right away
Over there you Guys work differently to most over here in Europe, That is not to say your ways are better or worse or vica versa, It is what works for you They do not use the harness at all in three clubs i have worked with this was the first time with my other two Shepherds i never used a harness just a collar but i thought i would with her, thinking as she was so keen almost fanatical at getting to the helper i though it may save the pressure on her neck but i thought wrongly
Last Sunday she had just a leather collar and she was as you say Awesome we do not use such a word over here we say she was great, excellent or good
To get to the crux of this post is to say that i think you are trying to say in your own way that I and they need to learn over here
Of course we can all learn and anyone says different is stupid but when one is the Belgian team Captain WUSV and helps prepare the Belgian team and the Helper in question works with them i think they know a little bit about the sport
As for me handling her one time is irrelevant and is of no consequence, She will not even know the Belgian team Captain has hold of the line she will not be looking at him or anything else only one thing that fellow in front of her and i can take the pic's as i want
and why do i take the Pic's my camera lens is not automatic if you do not adjust the lens by hand and know how to do it then you will get long range photos and that is no good having a Pic with the dog and handler at long range
Now do not take this post as being sarcastic for it is not just telling you the facts for i think you were being as we say over here a little patronizing and just to put it straight
Steve1
I am not a beginner with Dogs all sorts of Dogs including working dogs of sorts from herding to ScH and have in the past helped to train young Dogs for the Blind so where dogs are concerned i am no novice and have owned and worked them etc them for 60 years but your posts suggest i am a beginner with dogs in this case working dogs
As regards knowing when to take offense when someone speaks to me I am not a child not am i a soft touch quite the opposite but if know the person that is okay, but if it upsets me enough to retaliate then the one involved had better be sharp for i never mess about talking, but in this case as soon as he said it i knew i had made a mistake, and i am not going to explain it here in detail the Pup is so keen to get at the helper the harness was hindering her and i could feel it right away
Over there you Guys work differently to most over here in Europe, That is not to say your ways are better or worse or vica versa, It is what works for you They do not use the harness at all in three clubs i have worked with this was the first time with my other two Shepherds i never used a harness just a collar but i thought i would with her, thinking as she was so keen almost fanatical at getting to the helper i though it may save the pressure on her neck but i thought wrongly
Last Sunday she had just a leather collar and she was as you say Awesome we do not use such a word over here we say she was great, excellent or good
To get to the crux of this post is to say that i think you are trying to say in your own way that I and they need to learn over here
Of course we can all learn and anyone says different is stupid but when one is the Belgian team Captain WUSV and helps prepare the Belgian team and the Helper in question works with them i think they know a little bit about the sport
As for me handling her one time is irrelevant and is of no consequence, She will not even know the Belgian team Captain has hold of the line she will not be looking at him or anything else only one thing that fellow in front of her and i can take the pic's as i want
and why do i take the Pic's my camera lens is not automatic if you do not adjust the lens by hand and know how to do it then you will get long range photos and that is no good having a Pic with the dog and handler at long range
Now do not take this post as being sarcastic for it is not just telling you the facts for i think you were being as we say over here a little patronizing and just to put it straight
Steve1
by ziegenfarm on 06 February 2010 - 13:02
i'm with adi.....i have a very nice, well padded harness lying in the trunk of my car as well. it was used maybe a half dozen times. aside from the control issue, i am not fond of the tangled mess i get before i reach the car. a collar is able to slide 360* around the dog's neck, so if your dog is running in circles around you, it is much easier to keep the dog from getting tangled and/or injured. i suppose, if you are agile enough, tall enough and can run with your arms over your head to keep the dog from getting wrapped up in the line.....then they are okay. the only other thing i would say about dogs choking themselves off.....why are you messing around with agitation that long? when the dog comes onto the field, they are "on." building grip and building drive should have already been done. when the helper raises the sleeve - game on. my harness will remain in my trunk, unless i manage to give it away.
pjp
pjp
by steve1 on 06 February 2010 - 14:02
Zeigenfarm
I have a medium one used once and a Large one brand new not used and so they will remain so with me
Steve1
I have a medium one used once and a Large one brand new not used and so they will remain so with me
Steve1
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