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by Slamdunc on 28 October 2009 - 17:10
Hey Bob,
I just watched the video of your dog, really really nice. Super dog, he can certainly handle some pressure. Nice job with him.
Jim
I just watched the video of your dog, really really nice. Super dog, he can certainly handle some pressure. Nice job with him.
Jim
by Mystere on 28 October 2009 - 19:10
Hardhit,
For a fairly graphic example of what Jim (Slamdunc) means, check out the dogs entered in the 2009 USA Nationals. Out of the complete line-up, total up the dogs that don't have Fero behind him, and I mean LINEBRED on Fero via the T-litter, Aly, Yoshy, Nick, etc. (You can do the pedigree search right here on the pdb.) Some of them are bred on Fero two or three ways!! It is astonishing how quickly we are verging on that genetic bottle-neck. That is why I am in the market for frozen semen from Fero-free males, even though I am not likely to breed anything for years. I just want to make sure that I do have some Fero-free option available and it is getting harder and harder to find it.
For a fairly graphic example of what Jim (Slamdunc) means, check out the dogs entered in the 2009 USA Nationals. Out of the complete line-up, total up the dogs that don't have Fero behind him, and I mean LINEBRED on Fero via the T-litter, Aly, Yoshy, Nick, etc. (You can do the pedigree search right here on the pdb.) Some of them are bred on Fero two or three ways!! It is astonishing how quickly we are verging on that genetic bottle-neck. That is why I am in the market for frozen semen from Fero-free males, even though I am not likely to breed anything for years. I just want to make sure that I do have some Fero-free option available and it is getting harder and harder to find it.
by judron55 on 28 October 2009 - 23:10
does anyone have the same feeling about Orry free dogs....I always hear the mink/fero stuff!
ron
ron
by Mystere on 29 October 2009 - 03:10
You don't find Orry to be as prevalent in pedigrees as Fero. I don't think Mink is in the same category as Fero. Perhaps he was at one time, but you don't often find dogs with Mink in their pedigrees to the extent you find Fero.
by CrashKerry on 29 October 2009 - 16:10
See if you can find any dogs from Roy's Hoeve kennel, many of them are Fero/Mink free.
by animules on 30 October 2009 - 22:10
by darylehret on 31 October 2009 - 01:10
What specifically is to be avoided through Fero? Bottlenecks are a concern only when the gene material within them is proven to be of concern. Otherwise, bottlenecks are actually beneficial if you favor the characteristics contained within them. I too, favor a certain amount of diversity within the breed, but only so that there is a variety of material to create a particular type of dog for a particular type of work for a particular type of handler. Diversity for the sake of diversity, leads to nothing but inconsistency in breeding. Unless you know of a particular fault to avoid, or overemphasis of a trait you wish to not be as pronounced, then there's no logical reason to avoid a line on the basis of its popularity.
by 4pack on 31 October 2009 - 01:10
Nicely put Daryl. I for the life of me can't figure why someone would WANT to avoid this line, it obviously produces winners.
by VomMarischal on 31 October 2009 - 01:10
Me too. Yoschy lines are just about all I want any more.
by Gustav on 31 October 2009 - 03:10
I primarily deal with Czech and DDR lines but my current male is linebred 5-5 on Fero and 5-5 on Arek vom Stoffelblick. Fero gives me the drives I want and Arek gives me the nerve and hardness I desire. I feel they will blend well with my Czech/DDR lines.JMO
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