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by Sunsilver on 01 June 2009 - 16:06

It really, really irks me that breeders don't want to do genetic testing. Their attitude is hear no evil, see no evil...it certainly didn't come from one of MY dogs!

That's one of the reasons our pedigree dogs are such a mess when it comes to genetic defects!

Many breeders won't even publish OFA results if the hips aren't good, but continue to breed dogs with borderline or dysplastic hips.

And we wonder why it's taking so long to get dysplasia under control...

Environmental factors be damned...let's REALLY clean up the gene pool first, THEN we can honestly blame environment and nutrition!!

by SitasMom on 01 June 2009 - 17:06

I would love to see a DNA on the puppy too........never know until you know for sure.

by yellowrose of Texas on 02 June 2009 - 20:06

MALSHEP: I thought the very same thing...I do not believe she is full bred..could have been bred by two studs not just one....possiblitity ...and the owners won't do a DNA??? might be the reason..

Cute as Chocholate on ice cream............................

by malshep on 02 June 2009 - 20:06

I believe the pup is pure, there are so many alleles in the gene pool for a population, that they show up every now and again. Even if you did a re-breeding 20 times and had say 100 puppies you probably will not see another pup with the white markings. Look at plants for an example ( I maybe going off topic here), you have a population of the same plant. Most of the plants had alleles for yellow flowers, a few had red flowers. The environment changed and some of the pollinators for the yellow flowers were decreasing in number and the ones for the red flowers where increasing in numbers. So over time the plants with yellow flowers will not reproduce and the plants with red flowers would become dominate in the population. The alleles are there all the time. For this pup the genes just matched up. This is just my opinion.
Always,
Cee

by Incavale on 02 June 2009 - 22:06

The dog is purebred GSD. She was mated to a purebred GSD.
Our property is like Fort Knox, she was also penned throughout her season or under direct supervision the whole time, no other male dog got near her, she couldn't escape, no other dog can get into our property, we don't keep males of any breed.
We wanted DNA samples of the stud dog for 2 reasons 1) so there Couldn't & wouldn't be any doubt in anyone's mind that she is the genuine article & 2) to see if there was anything identifiable in the DNA that gave this result & we were of course prepared to pay for the testing.

by Uber Land on 02 June 2009 - 23:06

beautiful pup , and I do believe she is purebred! She looks exactly like every panda pup I have seen.

that being said, I had someone else tell me their property was like Fort Knox and no way their bitch was bred by another male.

I sold 2 dogs to a family about 6 years ago. they had a litter about 8 months ago that contained solid blacks and sables along with traditional blk/tans. Dad is a blk/red WG Showlines, mom is a dark blk/tan WG Show/American cross. I contacted them after seeing pics on their webpage and told them there was NO WAY my dogs could produce the sable pups(unless one of the parents was sable), and the male could not be black recessive, so he shouldn't have produced the black pups either. they didn't know much about color genetics and thought the sable gene was recessive (like in cockers, they thought it was ok since grandma was a sable). Finally got a DNA done on the litter, the male I sold them was NOT the sire to the black or sable pups.

they don't know how another male bred her, no male was seen hanging around the property, and the entire time she was in heat, she was kept in the garage and only taken out to be bred to the blk/red male. they have no clue how it happened, but DNA, and everything we know about color genetics says my male is not the father.

there's always that chance.

by Incavale on 03 June 2009 - 10:06

Hi Everyone
It's the wife speaking now.
Our place s like Fort Knox, much to my dismay, when I come home and find the front gates locked and cannot rouse a single body from down in the sheds drives me crazy
The one thing that wasn't mentioned is that if a dog did try and breech the barriers he has 6 very protective four legged girls to try and get past.
I don't like his chances as I have seen them in action if a dog down the way even barks to loud
They don't take kindly to intruders
The only time the dog was out of our control was when she was at the stud dogs' kennels over night in their dog float in the garage secured
Judith

by Incavale on 03 June 2009 - 23:06

We've had an update from Panda's new family. She is 12 weeks old

by yellowrose of Texas on 04 June 2009 - 01:06

WHY WILL THEY NOT SUBMIT TO A DNA TEST..? IF THAT HAPPENED TO MY STUD RESULTED MATING I WOULD BE CALLING FOR A DNA LONG BEFORE THE BITCH OWNER SPOKE FOR IT.. TO HONOR THE LINES BEHIND THE STUD , IT IS A DECISION THAT SHOULD BE DONE..WHEN THERE IS DOUBT IN A BREEDING, IT IS CORRECT THING TO DO , AND MAKE A STATEMENT OF ASSURANCE THAT THE SIRE IS THE ONLY SIRE OF THE WHOLE LITTER. THEN THE BACKGROUND IS KNOWN..AND OTHER RESEARCH CAN BE DONE.....
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WHEN MAHON HAD THE LIVER PUPS OUT OF TIMO AND PUBLISHED IT,,,YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED HOW MANY PEOPLE FROM OTHER BREEDINGS BEHIND AND RELATED TO HIM CAME FORTH TO MAHON WITH STORIES AND PUP COLORS IN SAME FAMILY TREE. SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DONE LONG AGO , INSTEAD BREEDERS HAVE HIDDEN ALL THESE FAULTS LIKE GIANTS GONNA GET YOU....SO THEN WE OPEN A CAN ONE DAY AND A BIG WORM JUMPS OUT..ALL WE ARE DOING INS UNCOVERING THINGS HIDDEN FROM YEARS BACK....TOO BAD...SO SAD BUT PART OF BREEDING.

FORT KNOX IS THE FIRST PLACE I WOULD GO LOOKING FOR THE BREAK IN.....

by Incavale on 04 June 2009 - 10:06

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MALSHEP: I thought the very same thing...I do not believe she is full bred..could have been bred by two studs not just one....possiblitity ...and the owners won't do a DNA??? might be the reason..