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by TessJ10 on 08 April 2009 - 19:04
been leaning towards Companion Dog titles,"
Ok, just yanking your chain here but isn't this what's being discussed in the other threads? Untitled parents, but "they can most certainly achieve titles." No titles but a breeder saying well, it's just because I don't have the time, I have kids, I have a job. C'mon, MOST of us on here have jobs (sometimes more than one), kids (lots), and deal with serious family and/or health issues and STILL manage to put on the titles. Here we go again...."leaning towards"...Do they have CD titles or not? CD being similar to BH, iow, very basic.
"I am currently using Xander von Hena-c as a stud muffin, he has just achieved his schutzhund 1,"
"I will be doing bred survey's on my dogs in the future, "
Not surveyed, but "in the future."
"Not everyone wants a GSD that they can use for bitework, they are interested in a nice healthy companion that
can be easily trained and become a part of their family."
Same thing in my house. How can you say that the two are mutually exclusive?
by Larrydee on 08 April 2009 - 19:04
My dog's are happiest when they are working great companion dogs but at heart they are true working dog's.
by ShelleyR on 08 April 2009 - 19:04
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I have no kids, unless you count the husband who acts like a 7 yr old, but I do have two jobs, nine dogs (6 in training) run a club, AND am entered with 3 dogs for BH's, AD, SchH titles next month + attending/volunteering at the sieger show in two weeks.
Never enough time for anything else it seems. LOL
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by RDH on 08 April 2009 - 20:04
For the professional breeders HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO WHELP A LITTER APPROXIMATELY? I think prices should be based on that. Most people say they aren't breeding for the money only for bettering the breed. Sometimes when I see over pricing on a pup I really doubt that quote breeders use. I honestly think a thousand is too much its just a puppy. I mean if you sell a dog with extensive training and titles then yes I can see the price being thousands. How do I know paying $1000-$1500 that my puppy will be cut out for what I intended to buy it for?
My theory is that the breeder should make as much as they put into the litter. Not thousands over the amount. Example if you had 10 pups and sell them for $1500 each ...you profited about $15,000 (is that what you really spent to product that litter?). Just my opinion.
by steve1 on 08 April 2009 - 20:04
The cost is correct and the breeding is correct, The Sire and Dam i know very well, and this Saturday i will watch the father of the Pups to be give another good account of himself at the trial, after he gets through this one he will only have one more before he qualifiys for the Belgain Nationals, and unless something drastic happens he will be selected i am sure, He has won his last two trials with high scores in all three phases a really level headed dog but loves to work, and a great prospect
Steve
by ShelleyR on 08 April 2009 - 21:04
Your reasoning seems sound at first glance but IMO its full of holes. In a perfect world every female we paid stud fees for, maybe shipped or traveled to breed, would whelp litters of ten pups, all perfect every time. Whelping would go perfectly, no middle-of-the-night emergency C-sections, no mothers would ever die on the table and never puppies lost in the process. All the potential stud dogs and females we raised and trained would be wonderfully fertile for their entire lives, and every chilled semen sample would arrive healthy and vital, handled perfectly at both ends, so every female it was sent to would whelp ten healthy pups.
The thousands of hours and miles spent to train, title, show and breed the parents would be free, as would the care and maintenance of those dogs before, during and after their productive life-spans. We would never lose wages from taking time off our jobs to properly whelp, raise, train our pups, and every prospective buyer would show up right on time with cash. Because every pup would be perfect, there would never be a need to sell any long coats or pups not demonstrating show/breed qualities for half price or less. No need to get hip/elbow certifications let alone ever fulfill a guarantee either! No one would ever need to hire kennel help because the perfect dogs would take care of their own poop, bathing, treatments and feeding. None of us would ever make expensive mistakes because we would all be born... (you guessed it!) perfect, with an inherent knowledge of all things dog. Insurance companies would welcome policies on people who breed GSD's with open arms, preferrably at a discount instead of a surcharge, or down-right decline of coverage.
Anyone who thinks I make a bunch of money over and above the costs of feeding, training and caring for my dogs from breeding them needs to come have a look at my bank records for the last ten or twenty years. If that were the case my world would, indeed, be PERFECT!
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by Ryanhaus on 08 April 2009 - 21:04
RDH,
In my neck of the woods, it costs between $400-500 to OFA a dog and $40.00 to DNA a dog, and then you are
feeding your dogs, I asume 24-7 with quality dog food, mine I only have to pay $ 26.99 for a 33 pound bag, but I also
feed them some raw which can be anything from human grade chicken and not to mention the beef marrow bones,
which are running between $1.29 to 1.49 a pound, and I always add extra virgin oil to every meal they have, also, a tablespoon of nutritional yeast, that you have to get at a health food store.
Also, I train my dogs, (I know ---I suck, I train my dogs at an AKC obedience club at least 2 times a week, one is $10.00 for
the first dog & $8.00 for the second dog if you're a member, and the other is on the weekends, with which I really enjoy
cause I get to see all my dogs relatives, (very, very, exciting!)
Except that one is $ 20.00 on Saturday for young pups & $25.00 on Sunday for older dogs.
Also, stud fees for both Labs & Shepherds are running roughly $ 850.00 a wack.
I have just entered one of my dogs in upcoming AKC show's which will cost me over $ 150.00 and that is just to enter
my dog, I will have to drive there and include gas money, and if I grab something to eat along the way, and I am always
tempted to enter into the conformation ring, which of course they are not American show lines, but I like to cover all the bases while I'm there
Then God forbid they have some stands set up selling dog collars and leashes, Oops---Got me
Rdh, Why can I tell you have never had a litter of pups to tend to.......
There is also the time you are bringing your pup or dog to the vets & actually paying the vet. and your dog is not currently
having a litter of pups.
Or, you have a bitch that needs a c-section, I wonder......does that cost anymore..........
Or, guess what, my lab "Big Head Harold" has gotten out of the yard and eaten everything in the neighborhood and my daughter and I think he has bloat, and it's a Saturday morning, well after x-rays, and finding out he just needs gas-x, I am happy to hear that, but alittle pissed, but I have no right to be, cause "Big Head Harold" is a Labrador Retriever
I breed Labrador Retrievers also, they need OFA Hips & Elbows and annual eye examines.
www.danoslabradors.com
not to mention, when I do have a litter of pups, the moms are fed double the food they normally eat, and the heat in my house is cranked all the way up.
You can't sell your pups for a very low price or the people that can afford that very low rock bottom price, can not afford a regular vet bill, or for that matter an emergency vet bill, if that happen's than the pup you just sold to these people is going to be euthanased, because they could not afford the expense of owning a dog in the first place.
by RDH on 08 April 2009 - 22:04
Do you 2 not work a normal job (i use that loosely)?..outside of breeding? If not, then yes I understand why puppy price are high because you are living off of that income and that is your job! I didn't realize that is all you do for a living. I have a friend who will be breeding her dutch shepherds after getting them title and i don't believe she would be spending thousands on the litter. She can get vaccination and things like that at a store instead of going to the vet for that. Her pups will be priced around $1,500 as well.
I was wondering if people were making alot off of breeding. I see that some breeders just slap on a price and people just buy. I don't think those breeders are in it for the breed more for the profit.
Always was wondering how PROFESSIONAL breeders come up with their pricing. Now I see why
by july9000 on 08 April 2009 - 22:04
by ShelleyR on 08 April 2009 - 22:04
So far this year I have taken in $3,000. the first 4 mos., spent over twice that, and the event/training season has just barely started. I have four dogs to get SV hips and elbows certified this month, (YEAH, $435. each is about right around here) and a trip to Chicago. I MIGHT have a litter or two this year, maybe even three, but to count on more than 4-5 pups in a litter is ridiculous, especially with an aging female, an aging stud dog, and two maiden females that still need their SchH 1, show ratings, SV h & e, and breed surveys. Somebody please remind me how much money I am going to make breeding dogs again...?
No wonder my husband isn't thrilled with my hobby dog business! The only real money I ever make is training other people's dogs during the fair months in PA (not winters) and I spend every last cent of it and more on my own dog habit. I'd be better off finishing the kennel building as a guest house and renting it out... but I would be so miserable without the dogs I'd probably slit my wrists within 2 weeks of their departure.
And you guys bitch about $1500. for a puppy from V/KK1/a1 parents who have already produced a dozen titled progeny?
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
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