Dog Food - Page 4

LOL. Your last sentence summed up my whole point. Saying you can't be sure eating healthy leads to better health and longevity is akin to challenging that exercise promotes weight loss.

You obviously don't know me from Adam, or you'd know that questioning what is taken as fact is one of my obsessions. But when it comes to my dogs' health (or my cats' health, or my horses' health) I don't screw around. I won't gamble that they MIGHT be ok on shit food b/c no one has ever really proved anything.

Why would dog health and longevity be so different than human? Biologically appropriate food is better. Does it guarantee anything? Of course not. But like I said, my animals are too important to me to gamble.

Saying you can't be sure eating healthy leads to better health and longevity is akin to challenging that exercise promotes weight loss.


You've presupposed that one is healthier than the other.  THAT's my point.  I don't know that the raw diet is healthier.  And if it is healthier, I don'tknow how it would be quantified. 

I won't gamble that they MIGHT be ok on shit food b/c no one has ever really proved anything


Geezuz - now you''ve made an about turn around to my point of view.  Intellectually, I believe that the more expensive food is better, ergo healthier, and I don't want to feed my dogs cheap foods if it is going to harm them. 

What I was looking for is evidence to support my hypothesis.

You, Jenni, came out with both guns blazing, refusing to answer simple questions, berating and attempting to ridicule with sarcastic remarks, when at the end of the day, you're in the same boat as I am - you don't know - you're just guessing. 

What a freaking waste of bandwidth and time. 

Here's a question to ponder....  we live an average of 85 years, so the cumulative health  effect of poor eating might take effect on us in our middle age or beyond. 

If our dogs only live 10 - 15 years....  are their effects to regular cheap dog food diets and if so, what are they?

I found this:

http://webcanine.com/2007/dog-longevity-studyhow-long-do-most-breeds-live/

Longevity Trends: Temporal data on longevity are sparse and no study has attempted to separate the role of veterinary advances from breed genetics in affecting longevity. From the handful of imperfect studies available, breed longevity appears to be stable or declining in recent years. There is little evidence of improvement.”

 

“Survey Comparisons: Dogs in UK surveys live about a year longer than the average member of the same breed in USA/Canada surveys.”




Now I', curious to see what they are doing differently inthe UK, or if it is a matter of different genetics.

Both guns blazing? LMAO.

Refusing to answer simple questions? Huh?

Just guessing??? Ok, if I'm just guessing than I "guess" it's a hell of a fucking coincidence that with 3 cats, 2 horses, and 7 dogs, I have NOT ONCE had an illness-related vet bill. Accidents and injuries, the occasional fight, but not one illness. Ever. People ask me how I can afford the vet bills for all those animals. I answer that I don't have any. I spend the money on prevention, and not cure. Hell of a lucky guess, don't you think? I have more animals at one time than most have in a lifetime, and I really doubt that their health and condition are pure accidents!

My 12 year old cat was guessed by a VET to be around 3-4 due to her muscle tone, teeth, and coat condition.  Anecdotal, sure, but true. Good genes? Maybe. Good diet? Probably. Combination? Most likely.

You misread what I wrote, and therefore misunderstood and thought I "made an about turn." Reread my statement and I think you'll see.

Even if they said dogs lived longer, I'd challenge the quality of life. Maybe they eek out another 2 years on meds and in sorry overall shape.

It's quite simple, really. Generally, I have found very few instances where man can really improve on the way nature has designed something. Therefore, I feed my animals in the way that most closely resembles how they would eat in the wild. I will take a wild guess that my dogs would eat very little corn gluten meal if they were to return to the wild.

I'd like to go back to the days when dogs ran around, ate roadkill and table scraps, lived til around 16 and then got hit by a car. When did kibble come about? Do you remember? Do you remember who came up w/it? Because it was "better" or because it was PROFITABLE? Remember when dogs didn't get Addison's, Cushings, allergies, cancer, etc? What has changed in the recent years (50ish) to make these ailments that were once unheard of so prevalent?

Reminds me of the formula vs. breastfeeding arguments. People assumed formula was better, all because Nestle (I think it was Nestle company who invented it) told them so. Now, here we all are going back to nature's way b/c we find out all sorts of health benefits.

If you are interested in really researching, which you say you are, but it doesn't seem like you've done much so far, then look around. Check studies in other countries. Check anecdotal evidence. Research the NEWFOUNDLANDS who live to 17 in other countries, and only half of that in this country. I think Kymythy Schultze talks about those Newfies in her book.

You seem to have burst onto the scene just to be difficult. Wasn't it you talking about changing the standard b/c you like screwy colors too? Now you are trying to make an argument out of a simple food price discussion...odd.

Honey, your guns are STILL blazing!  LOL!

I came here asking a simple question in hopes I could be pointed to some research - that is all. 

My first post stated:

"So, I've been blindly buying the premium holistic foods for me dawgs... uber expensive... and it just struck me....  I've never done the research....

are there any sites that show increased health or longevity from premium, holistic or raw foods?  Intellectually, I understand the concept of feeding high quality foods - but I've never actually seen any studies that show an increase of health, or decrease of disease from the food...

...are there any good studies or sites I can peruse? "

And you answer:

If you are interested in really researching, which you say you are, but it doesn't seem like you've done much so far, then look around.

And finally, you get to some helpful advice, thank you.

Check studies in other countries. Check anecdotal evidence. Research the NEWFOUNDLANDS who live to 17 in other countries, and only half of that in this country. I think Kymythy Schultze talks about those Newfies in her book.

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as for your statement:

"You seem to have burst onto the scene just to be difficult. Wasn't it you talking about changing the standard b/c you like screwy colors too?

I don't like "screwy colors' but your inherent bigotry in that statement  is duly noted.  And yes, I questions the rigidity of the breed standards - especially when breed standards change all the time and often  for the worse, LOL!


Now you are trying to make an argument out of a simple food price discussion...odd.

YOU'RE making the argument - not me - I'm looking for research, pointers to sites that might be helpful, some kind of place where I can look into the stats.  You're arguing that we should simply accept natural is better.  Odd

GSDkatrina,  IMO, Wellness Core is good food. I have seen good results in both my cats and my dogs on it.

Luvdemdogs, my my my.....you are quite sensitive if you think THOSE posts equal "guns ablazin" LMAO.