blind breeders - Page 4

Court,
Now thats an idea.
Why do they never think of that in the first place?

A lot of pet owners who have defected/not fit for purpose; do not know there rights regarding the sale of goods act, and it seems that a lot of breeders do not know when they sell any puppy they are bound by The Sale of Goods Act some breeders will try to excuse breeding from poor quality, dog and bitches that are not health tested or that carry hereditary problem by saying they are not doing it as a business but "only to keep a puppy", "only occasionally" or "only for pets". The Law of the land and in particular the Trades Description Act, quite rightly does not discriminate between backyard breeders, casual breeders and breeders, it requires everyone who sells puppies to do so within The Law and that means in cold, clinical terms producing goods (puppies) of merchandisable quality, goods that are fit for the purpose for which they are sold, ignorance is no defence in law. Breeders do not want to hear they have faulty goods so they try to scare you, by telling you to be quiet, why because 400/500/600 £££££+ plus per dog, they charge, one complaint could do a lot of damage.

Wow, breeder refunded the money for the hips and they passed anyway!!!??? and the pup owner gladly kept the refund??  That is a pretty generous breeder and I think shows that such a breeder does indeed care about happy puppy owners.

Did this really have to turn ugly? Now I remember why I never logged in to comment before. I had hoped to start a productive discussion. I guess everyone here really does just have an axe to grind. Shame on me for starting this thread. I'll go back to being quiet and not bothering with this forum. ~Jill Friday

Jill, sorry, what part was turning ugly?

I don't think this turned ugly at all.
Everyone has given their opinion without malice and without an ad hominem approach.

My final point would be this - breeding should not be considered a "crap shoot" if a breeder is SELLING a puppy.
If a breeder considers breeding a crap shoot, they are negligent for selling puppies.

If they wish to GIVE them away - they can absolve themselves of financial responsibility although if one chooses to breed one is always responsible for the welfare of the pup and the owner who purchases it even if the responsibility isn't financial.

Furthermore, there is no way breeders can be excused and left off the hook when a dog of theirs develops a genetic disease.
Their missiion MUST include responsibility for producing puppies - ALL OF WHICH - live normal  lifespans relatively free of disease.

For those inevitable pups that develop problems - the breeders should WILLINGLYH give back the purchase money - plain and simple. If one produces only 1 out of 50 dogs that doesn't meet the basic requirement of a normal healthy lifespan than one will only have to reimburse one in 50 purchases. What's so bad about TAKING RESPONSIBILITY by refunding the money for 1 out of 50 dogs?

If they are producing problem dogs at a higher rate - they should refund at a higher rate. If they never produce a dog with a serious genetically based illness they won't have to refund any money - ever. This way their refund amount will exactly equal their success at what should be their number one goal - to produce pups, 100% of which live normal length, healthy lives.

Part of the territory when breeding dogs is that some get sick. The person creating that dog - and profiting from it monetarily should be the one to accept the financial liability when the dog fails to live up to generally agreed upon basic healthiness and longevity.

IMHO

I don't think any breeder who has posted takes breeding lightly. Anyone with experience knows no matter how good two dogs seem to be breed worthy, then you do your homework and pick apart the pedigrees, and such, things don't always turn out as well as one plans.  Sometimes not every puppy in every litter is also going to turn out to be a wonderful example of the breed every time no matter how careful you are. And you can only see so much about a puppy at 8 weeks old. Much of what the pup will become gentically, physically, and emotionally is still very much under construction at the point. A good well intentioned breeder who does their homework and really cares is going to help insure overall quality,...and far more than a novice or BYB...but there are no guarantees that when that breeder hands that 8 week pup to it's new owner and wants nothing more than that puppy to be that new owners "dog of a lifetime" that things will truly turn out that way.

I don't think anyone here is saying if a puppy turns out to have a genetic defect that the puppy owner is not due some type of refund. Contracts are only as good as the integrity of the breeder standing behind them.....they should indeed be honored.

You have one breeder mentioned here who honored a refund on bad hips that indeed OFA'd. I have refunded money for rediculous things myself....just to keep the owner happy...and trust me, there are some buyers out there that were just born to complain no matter how nice the puppy was/is, no matter what you offer to do for them, they just love to hear themselves complain....and these people don't exist in just the form of puppy owners, you encounter them on occasion everywhere, at family gatherings, at work, etc. When dealing with these type of people, I think it is quite normal to hit a point where you just stop listening. 

Kandi, Isn't that what screening puppy-buyers is about? How do you screen?

Sometimes it is very hard to really get to know people when they are trying their best to impress upon you that they are a great home for a puppy.....

Luckily I have had more wonderful experiences through breeding dogs than negative ones...wayyy more good ones. :)

I have no clearly defined system for screening,....it all depends on if we have many mutal friends or aquaintences, how far away they live, the purpose for the puppy, new or experienced handler, responses to my questionairre, the more questions they have usually the less I have to ask, and lastly....following my gut instinct.

 

 

 Molly is one of the best breeders I have ever met. I purchased my first working line dog from her 8 years ago. Made some mistakes along the way. She was always there for me. Answered my questions. Helped me work the dog when I was unable. I have now purchased my 2nd working dog from her. My first intentions were to learn the sport of Schutzhund and I did train for awhile before my health became an issue. My 1st dog is now a working service dog. My 2nd dog is also a service dog. He got his CGC at 11 months and passed his Delta Therapy Dog test at 16 months. When I first had to transition to a service dog, Molly found someone to help with it. Both dogs have be owner trained service dogs. They are wide open at home when playing but as soon as the harness is on they are very well mannered service dogs. Socialization plays a big role when they are puppies. I have had people step on their tails, with no reactions. In a restaurant I had waiter drop entire full tray of food right next to my dog under the table. No reaction from the dog and they did not even make a move for the food. This particular dog is extremely high food drive dog. She is well trained. Don't hesitate to buy a dog from her. She even invites you to a wonderful yahoo group of owners of her dogs. Where we discuss our dogs and help each other with training issues and problems.'You get a reliable breeder and a wonderful dog family that has a dog reunion each year!