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by Jay R on 09 March 2009 - 17:03

The GSD is capable of French Ring and many have been titled in the sport. I don’t know any kennel that breeds GSD’s exclusively for Ring but many good breeders produce potential candidates. GSD’s are just as capable as the Malinois in the sport.

I compete in French Ring with a female GSD and none of the Malinois competitors take us for granted. My bitch can clear the 2.30 meter wall (max. regulation height) with no problems. Malinois do dominate Ring sports but a good GSD can compete at any level in any venue.


by Dave Kroyer on 09 March 2009 - 18:03

I am pretty new to all of this and it just seems like the GSD can do anything! I like the grey and black ones. They seem to bite good. I have been to a few Sch competitions and the GSDs are awesome! I think that the GSD can get over the tall wall in ring no problem!! Even doing tons of repetitions should not bother the hips or shoulders.  The are just as fast as Malinois or Dutch Sheps.  I actually have a border collie that does schutzhund!! And recently put a Sch 1 on a Rottweiler......well almost!  I heard in France and Mexico the to trainers are using the GSD for the French Championship.  hehe   Dave

by Dave Kroyer on 09 March 2009 - 18:03

OK, on a serious note (after my wife yelled at me for being so synical) yes GSDs can do Ring Sport. My old dog Dax (2 time world team member) did French Ring in his retirement years...and yes he did the food refusal...even though I tracked him with hot dogs....but not my point here.  The problem is...the sports are designed for Malinios. And yes I do believe there have been a GSD or 2 in the French cup. But when we talk about competing ....not titleing, which are 2 different things...then we see the seperation of breeds. Back in the day, the a frame in Sch was straight up and down like the palisade now in ring sports. But it changed do to injuries the GSDs were getting....but thats not why I think it s a mali sport. Study the sport in detail. Learn the rules and how decoys can be "dirty". title a dog in French Ring past Ring 1......and then you will find your answers young grasshopers!   Meanwhile......if anyone is ineterested, I am showing my Mali next month in the mexican championship. should be fun! Let the blood flow!!

by Bob McKown on 09 March 2009 - 18:03

Dave:

                 I,m sure my Fiest could do ring sport and the wall would not be a problem I had to put a fence covering on my outside kennel to keep her in her kennel she can back up 5 to 6 feet and launch and get half her body over the 6 foot fence and come across it... maybe it,s the Van Meerhout thing?  Rob and Jessy are defenitly breeding some dogs with drive for all sports.

Pharaoh

by Pharaoh on 09 March 2009 - 19:03

Mali's get injuries too..... no further comment.

Michele

by Jay R on 09 March 2009 - 19:03


Actually for testing the handler can choose 1.80 meters (5.91’ min. regulation height) if the dog is older in years or has trouble with greater heights. Fewer points are awarded for shorter jumps and if the goal is competition higher than club level 2.30 meters (7.55’ max height) will be required of the dog. The height is ultimately handler choice and dogs can have a Ring III title without ever jumping the max regulation height.
 
Good genetics (hips & elbows) is a necessary foundation but repeated shock/impact to the joints must be moderated against the dog’s physical development and skill level. Notice in pictures how we teach the dog to start down the wall and not jump straight off the top. There is technique involved which helps minimize stress to the joints and it is not necessary or advised to train the jump in each and every session. Training Ring sports can be dangerous training for dogs and many injuries occur.
 
 
When looking for a potiontal candidate for Ring Mal’s are much easier to fing and a lot cheaper to buy than GSD’s. This is a big reason they dominate the sport IMO.

by Jay R on 09 March 2009 - 19:03

Hey Dave I'm interested in your competing here in Mexico. I look forward to it.


by Dave Kroyer on 09 March 2009 - 20:03

I was not really speaking about the wall...any dog can do the wall. My 40 lb catahoula does the wall. And yes, all dogs get hurt.   That was never my point.  But I will leave the rest of this for the peanut gallery. 

by BritneyP on 09 March 2009 - 21:03

Any well bred working line GSD, with the correct drives and physical structure (i.e. not oversized or overweight), is capable of doing French Ring. I think it's more a matter of, most people who own these dogs don't WANT to do Ring, lol.

Here is a video of my boy, for whom I had originally intended on doing FR with, but have decided to switch my focus to PSA because A.) I don't like the jumps in Ring, and B.) I don't want my dog esquived as I've seen too many broken teeth because of it.

My dog is only medium-prey and he's also still very immature, and he does pretty well. Please excuse his cheerleaders in the video!

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v628/sismorphine/Bitework/?action=view&current=100_1884.flv


ZVZW

by ZVZW on 09 March 2009 - 23:03

Good to see you here Dave.

Jerry
North Texas Ring Club





 


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