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Davren

by Davren on 02 March 2009 - 02:03

 Interesting. I have been using Ivermectin paste for horse and for dogs for 25 years now without any side effects. If the Ivermectin tube can only be demonstrably safe in 500 pound and up horses that I really messed up when I have given it to my miniature horses, many weighing around 100 pounds. 

by Luvmidog on 02 March 2009 - 02:03

The liquid is not a suspension. It is liquid, clear and  kept in fridge and I shake for my own but it does not seperate at all..


You  measure 1 cc in a syringe and you put it in dogs mouth...He doesnt not sling it out if you know how to put it in back by throat and close mouth and offer a treat.



by Get A Real Dog on 02 March 2009 - 03:03

I have used the paste for about 10 years. Never had a problem.

Don't know and have never thought about the percentage per dose but I have never had a dog that developed an adverse reaction. Always been able to control any worm problems.

For what that is worth.....

by eichenluft on 02 March 2009 - 06:03

If I post here I am 100% sure I am right.  If I have nothing to say or I am not certain, I do not post.  I post because I care about the dogs, and like to share my experiences.  If I do not have the experience, I don't share.  I am entitled to my opinion and it is an experienced one.  Take it or leave it.  Hopefully the people who read this thread will care enough to take it, or at least ask their vet's opinion before taking your advice because you have "never had a problem" instead.

molly

by eichenluft on 02 March 2009 - 06:03

yes, the liquid dose is easily measured and the ivermectin in the liquid is evenly distributed and can be carefully measured using a syringe by ml per pound.  Paste is not evenly distributed (how could you know where in the tube the ivermectin is suspended, when the entire tube is formulated for the weight of a large EQUINE not a small canine - put into a paste form so it is easily administed to a HORSE - anyone ever tried administering a liquid med to a horse?  Not too easy, why it's not done.  On another note, how do you know the dog is utilizing the ivermectin properly when it is administered in a paste that is formulated for a horse?  It may just go right through their system - how do you know it's working at all?  Horse digestion/gut mechanics are far different than dogs.  And yes, Jerry - I'm right LOL

molly

VonIsengard

by VonIsengard on 02 March 2009 - 06:03

I use the liquid Ivomec for cattle/swine. One should note, however, that it should be extracted from the bottle with a needle to keep it sterile.

by SitasMom on 02 March 2009 - 15:03

Thank you everyone.


by ask me about my wiener on 02 March 2009 - 19:03

Molly-

Talk about a hard head with an ego problem. You are not 100% right, not even close. You post often, opinions, not facts as in this case based on wrong information. You were very politely asked to explain how a 1.87% suddenly changes, retreating to you stock and wrong answer. If you don't know a subject stop posting your opinioned and wrong answer about it. To follow up your incorrect and wrong misinformation, you keep also retreating to ask a vet. Vets have been asked Missy, but like most people unless they have first hand, hands on knowledge, they can only guess and tell you what they heard or have been told. Besides what vet in this day and time openly tell you to go off label and use horse, cattle, swine or sheep wormer for a dog? The paste dose is easily measured and the ivermectin in the paste is evenly distributed and can be carefully measured using the locking hub plunger system. Again, PROVE DIFFERENT!!!!!! Just because you do not use it, does not mean the evenly distributed ivermectrin, suddenly becomes unevenly distributed.   On another note, how do you know the dog is utilizing the ivermectin properly when it is administered in a liquid that is formulated for a cow?  Be it by injection or by oral administration? It may just go right through their system - how do you know it's working at all?  Cow digestion/gut mechanics are far different than dogs.  And yes, Molly - I'm right, your wrong LOL   And BTW,   "Hopefully the people who read this thread will care enough to take it, or at least ask their vet's opinion before taking your advice because you have "never had a problem" instead."   I never had a problem because the paste dose is easily measured and the ivermectin in the paste is evenly distributed and can be carefully measured using the locking hub plunger system. Again, PROVE DIFFERENT!!!!!!
PROVE DIFFERENT!!!!!! PROVE DIFFERENT!!!!!! PROVE DIFFERENT!!!!!! PROVE DIFFERENT!!!!!!   You can not because you are wrong, Please, pretty please, prove it, prove me wrong!!! Facts, not opinions, references too, not your opinion, not your friends opinion, not your vets opinion, facts, hard evidence with references to where obtained, no opinions. Otherwise just admit you are wrong, admit it, deal with it and go away I'm tired of you arguing just to argue your incorrect misinformation and opinion based on misinformation. Grow up, go away and stop posting misinformation. Nothing you have posted proves you right or me wrong. So your wrong and I'm right. See I can post opinions too. How do you like them apples?

by eichenluft on 02 March 2009 - 19:03

the reason not to use the paste is it is impossible to PROVE if the ivermectin is evenly distributed.  It is as simple as that.  Liquid IVERMECTIN

by eichenluft on 02 March 2009 - 19:03

Liquid IVERMECTIN wormer is LIQUID  and so the ivomec is suspended in LIQUID and evenly distributed. If you doubt it is, simply shake the bottle before drawing out the appropriate amount for the WEIGHT OF THE ANIMAL being dosed.

I have my doubts that the paste wormer is even digested and utilized by the dog at all.  Think about the differences in digestion and feed utilization by the two animals in question.  Horses eat fiber - hay and grain.  Dogs do not digest fiber, at all.  Their systems don't digest it - if they eat grass or grain it goes right through and ends up in whole form in the poop.  Paste wormers were made for horses and their unique digestion.  I doubt that even if the dog is overdosed by giving paste horse wormer, it wouldn't hurt them (Never had a problem with it) because they just pass it, paste and wormer and all, right through their system. 

Ask the vets, or ask people like myself who have worked with horses AND dogs for many years and know what we are talking about.  Or prove that you are right, Jerry.  "Never had a problem" isn't proof of anything but that - you haven't had a problem YET.  My dogs have never  had a problem either, and I'm sure they won't as I do not risk their health by giving them unknown amounts of POISON in their system to treat or prevent worms of any kind.

molly





 


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