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by Adi Ibrahimbegovic on 01 March 2009 - 18:03
To answer in short:
1) Dumbass owner (any flavor thereof: stupid by birth; can't read dogs; don't know about training; small dick syndrome; poser; showoff; ; chip on the shoulder; bad attitude; clueless etc...) + PPD (trained or not) = liability
2) Responsible owner (again all that falls into that) + well trained, good dog = asset and a joy to own and spend life with him/her as a part of family
That goes for any dog not just PPD per se.
1) Dumbass owner (any flavor thereof: stupid by birth; can't read dogs; don't know about training; small dick syndrome; poser; showoff; ; chip on the shoulder; bad attitude; clueless etc...) + PPD (trained or not) = liability
2) Responsible owner (again all that falls into that) + well trained, good dog = asset and a joy to own and spend life with him/her as a part of family
That goes for any dog not just PPD per se.
by 4pack on 01 March 2009 - 18:03
Great thread guys. Keep it coming. Glad to see so many on the board in favor of a good PPD. In todays world, I wouldn't be caught without one. You enter my home unlawfully, you wont leave able to make a case against me in court. Repeats after me " I was in fear for my life."
by jletcher18 on 01 March 2009 - 19:03
exactly 4 pack.
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by snajper69 on 01 March 2009 - 23:03
You enter my house without invitation, and my dog will let you out I am shooting the dog.
by MygsdRebel on 02 March 2009 - 01:03
Vikram,
Yes, you can read a dog. I can see what mine are up to with even the slightest twitch of the ear. But my point is, you aren't inside their head. No matter how close you two are. Even if he/she protects you from a home invasion/mugging/etc. problems are going to arise if they've bit someone, and I see that as a liability. That doesn't mean they're a problem dog, or that you shouldn't have a dog that knows how to protect you. It's just something everyone should definitely take into account, because the dog has been trained to bite, apprehend, and hurt the bad guy. They aren't just the dog loyally curled up at your feet, they are your protector now.
-Emily.
Yes, you can read a dog. I can see what mine are up to with even the slightest twitch of the ear. But my point is, you aren't inside their head. No matter how close you two are. Even if he/she protects you from a home invasion/mugging/etc. problems are going to arise if they've bit someone, and I see that as a liability. That doesn't mean they're a problem dog, or that you shouldn't have a dog that knows how to protect you. It's just something everyone should definitely take into account, because the dog has been trained to bite, apprehend, and hurt the bad guy. They aren't just the dog loyally curled up at your feet, they are your protector now.
-Emily.
by 4pack on 02 March 2009 - 02:03
Owning a home is a liability, thank your Govt, any asshole who breaks in, can sue you for tripping on your stairs, as he is gathering your valuables. I'll keep the dog!
by AgarPhranicniStraze1 on 02 March 2009 - 03:03
"If a burglur breaks into your home and trys to harm and steal things...and the dog bites can you get sued? Even though he is protection you."
"If i was walking down the street (night/ dark) and a guy try to mug me and the dog bites and takes down the guy can I get sued?"
Yes and Yes. But at that point I hardly think a lawsuit is something you'd be losing sleep over and just thankful to have still been alive and your dog there when you needed him/her to be.
I feel the same way Eisenfaust said it. I love my dogs, they are a big part of my family but I have them for a reason.
To answer John's question, it's only a liability if you are ignorant to owning this type of dog.
"If i was walking down the street (night/ dark) and a guy try to mug me and the dog bites and takes down the guy can I get sued?"
Yes and Yes. But at that point I hardly think a lawsuit is something you'd be losing sleep over and just thankful to have still been alive and your dog there when you needed him/her to be.
I feel the same way Eisenfaust said it. I love my dogs, they are a big part of my family but I have them for a reason.
To answer John's question, it's only a liability if you are ignorant to owning this type of dog.
by Shezam1 on 02 March 2009 - 04:03
There will always be situations when the dog is incapable of deciding. Take for example a child from the human "pack" falling off a swing and getting hurt when you are not around. The dog cannot reason that the child needs help but may tend to protect the child from strangers wanting to help because it is upset and crying.
It is all about having a stable temperament no matter what training the dog undergoes, which may bring things under control but reliability is a different issue. I have had both extremes of dogs - my present one has to be kept under control by me at all times whenever we are out as he is suspicious of ALL strangers unless he has met them before, in which case he is quite friendly when he meets them again, especially if they have been permitted inside the house on an earlier occasion - those that do not enter the house but only come up to the door such as delivery persons etc. are still treated with suspicion, whereas those that deliver food seem to be tolerated - a quick whiff at the bottom of the front door tells him which is which.
I had a female GSD 35 years ago who grew up with my son and had minimal training. She was never aggressive to anyone but would attack if told to by me or my wife. As she grew older she realised that it did not need much to keep people at bay - just a growl and a slight snarl was sufficient unless that didn't work in which case an aggressive charge would be followed through with a full fledged attack if required. But the amazing part was that she behaved differently if I was out of town and was more protective of my wife and kid without me around, to the extent that she would not tolerate anyone even staring at either and would let out a warning growl. When I got back, she would literally heave a sigh of relief as if to say, "Now that you are back, you take over". Yet she was so gentle and reliable that all the neighborhood kids used to invite and take her to their birthday parties unescorted.
The present male is surely a liability but the female was certainly a huge, huge asset.
It is all about having a stable temperament no matter what training the dog undergoes, which may bring things under control but reliability is a different issue. I have had both extremes of dogs - my present one has to be kept under control by me at all times whenever we are out as he is suspicious of ALL strangers unless he has met them before, in which case he is quite friendly when he meets them again, especially if they have been permitted inside the house on an earlier occasion - those that do not enter the house but only come up to the door such as delivery persons etc. are still treated with suspicion, whereas those that deliver food seem to be tolerated - a quick whiff at the bottom of the front door tells him which is which.
I had a female GSD 35 years ago who grew up with my son and had minimal training. She was never aggressive to anyone but would attack if told to by me or my wife. As she grew older she realised that it did not need much to keep people at bay - just a growl and a slight snarl was sufficient unless that didn't work in which case an aggressive charge would be followed through with a full fledged attack if required. But the amazing part was that she behaved differently if I was out of town and was more protective of my wife and kid without me around, to the extent that she would not tolerate anyone even staring at either and would let out a warning growl. When I got back, she would literally heave a sigh of relief as if to say, "Now that you are back, you take over". Yet she was so gentle and reliable that all the neighborhood kids used to invite and take her to their birthday parties unescorted.
The present male is surely a liability but the female was certainly a huge, huge asset.
by BabyEagle4U on 02 March 2009 - 05:03
Asset.
by olskoolgsds on 02 March 2009 - 09:03
excellent thread,
No right or wrong answer IMO. My wife refuses to handle a gun. It is a liability for her to have one because someone would just take it from her. Low fight drive. I have no problems with gun ownership and will always have one. I am a firm believer in a persons rights to protect themselves from skum.
Same with dogs. Some cannot handle them, aren't comfortable with one, and do not know how to not only read the dog, but read the situation. Ten people will give you ten different opinions on the level of threat they experienced in any given situation. So not only the dog must be solid in all ways, but the owner as well. Who makes that call? I can only say that personally I am a fighter. I will fight to protect my family, friends or those that are being victumised. I will stop at nothing and I believe all those that feel this way should have the right to do the same. If you choose not to, then that is your right that I respect. I hope we continue to live in a country that gives us these rights.
I am out of town and take comfort in knowing my dogs will alert, and my male will protect. I have zero doubt about this. So I guess it gets down to am I willing to gamble on having a ppd. Yes I am. My greatest dissapointment is when I read of people that are raped, killed, kidnapped, or beaten by gangs, punks, those that care only for themselves, and they died needlessly because they did not take advantage of some form of protection.
I do not live in fear, far from it, but I am very much aware of my circumstances and enviroment and having a good ppd is only one small part of the equation. Using my head is my biggest protection factor.
No right or wrong answer IMO. My wife refuses to handle a gun. It is a liability for her to have one because someone would just take it from her. Low fight drive. I have no problems with gun ownership and will always have one. I am a firm believer in a persons rights to protect themselves from skum.
Same with dogs. Some cannot handle them, aren't comfortable with one, and do not know how to not only read the dog, but read the situation. Ten people will give you ten different opinions on the level of threat they experienced in any given situation. So not only the dog must be solid in all ways, but the owner as well. Who makes that call? I can only say that personally I am a fighter. I will fight to protect my family, friends or those that are being victumised. I will stop at nothing and I believe all those that feel this way should have the right to do the same. If you choose not to, then that is your right that I respect. I hope we continue to live in a country that gives us these rights.
I am out of town and take comfort in knowing my dogs will alert, and my male will protect. I have zero doubt about this. So I guess it gets down to am I willing to gamble on having a ppd. Yes I am. My greatest dissapointment is when I read of people that are raped, killed, kidnapped, or beaten by gangs, punks, those that care only for themselves, and they died needlessly because they did not take advantage of some form of protection.
I do not live in fear, far from it, but I am very much aware of my circumstances and enviroment and having a good ppd is only one small part of the equation. Using my head is my biggest protection factor.
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