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by paulie on 25 February 2009 - 16:02
John, as a penance, say Ten Our Fathers and Ten Hail Mary's. As i was educated by Jesuits ,i know this will make you feel better.
Regards Paul.
Regards Paul.
by Sue B on 25 February 2009 - 19:02
For you Paulie anything !!!! xxx
Thank you David for clarifying the matter in your post, very much appreciated.
Best Regards
Sue
Thank you David for clarifying the matter in your post, very much appreciated.
Best Regards
Sue
by Philip on 25 February 2009 - 23:02
I would like to thank the BBC for the programe Pedigree Dogs Exposed, even though I diddn't agree with them on the GSD. It has made everybody wake up and start discussing things about our breed and the split is one of them.
I would like to state I agree with the split of the breed. But it will never happen, so what should happen? First of all Alsatian should be dropped straight away from the Kennel Club. The breed standard should follow the same as in Germany. To get our breed to a standard, we need to establish a panel so if you choose to be a judge there should be a panel that you should be answerable too - if your judging is in question.
For example; the BBC showed 1 male that was completely unsound at a Championship show, this is not a Health Issue as unsoundness is a fault, the judge should be questioned and asked why this dog acheived top honours, not the Kennel Club trying to change our Breed Standard and trying to make out they care when all they care about is money, and I was at this show and I would like to know myself as there was many good dogs there.
If judges started to judge dogs to the breed standard there would be no Alsatian; example Roy Brandon judged a Championship show and if you check out the results on Jaquenetta site you will find that all the entries in Minor Puppy and Puppy/Both Sexes were Roy Brandon's breeding. For those who say we shouldn't have the split do they also say this is correct, this is why we should have a panel and judges questioned if need be. In the past years too many judges have got away with murder.
The Kennel Club seems to think Double Handling is a terrible thing. But judging the German Shepherd Dog NOT to the standard is OK! This is where the problem lies. If we get the judges judging the Breed standard correctly and I mean the German Standard we would not have a problem.
I do hope this is not just another thread going nowhere as Kerry has asked on a different thread who is going to be our hopeful Press Officer and there is No Reply to her question!
Going by the number of people who read these threads, we have had a petition on the GSD League web site, a ballot on David Payne's web site and in my opinion not enough people have answered and not enough kennels, so do people really care? I would like to know the opinion of these top kennels just a general opinion to see where we stand; Korzwin, Shotaan, Lararth, Peterwell, Silverleigh, Jemness, Conadrew, Sadira, Carakris, Cedarmarks, Silkenwood, Drumwhannan, Rafaye, Iolanda, Veneze, Jonimay, Darrway, Moonwinds, Clokellys, Crossingate, Kurtridge, Gayville, Olgayans, Robunas, Geeswood, Toilers, I'm sure I may have missed a few Kennels, sorry, but this was just at the top of my head.
These are all very good qualtiy kennels but nothing has come from them, and we need to know what these Kennels think as they are all part and important to our GSD show world.
Kind Regards
Philip Prince
I would like to state I agree with the split of the breed. But it will never happen, so what should happen? First of all Alsatian should be dropped straight away from the Kennel Club. The breed standard should follow the same as in Germany. To get our breed to a standard, we need to establish a panel so if you choose to be a judge there should be a panel that you should be answerable too - if your judging is in question.
For example; the BBC showed 1 male that was completely unsound at a Championship show, this is not a Health Issue as unsoundness is a fault, the judge should be questioned and asked why this dog acheived top honours, not the Kennel Club trying to change our Breed Standard and trying to make out they care when all they care about is money, and I was at this show and I would like to know myself as there was many good dogs there.
If judges started to judge dogs to the breed standard there would be no Alsatian; example Roy Brandon judged a Championship show and if you check out the results on Jaquenetta site you will find that all the entries in Minor Puppy and Puppy/Both Sexes were Roy Brandon's breeding. For those who say we shouldn't have the split do they also say this is correct, this is why we should have a panel and judges questioned if need be. In the past years too many judges have got away with murder.
The Kennel Club seems to think Double Handling is a terrible thing. But judging the German Shepherd Dog NOT to the standard is OK! This is where the problem lies. If we get the judges judging the Breed standard correctly and I mean the German Standard we would not have a problem.
I do hope this is not just another thread going nowhere as Kerry has asked on a different thread who is going to be our hopeful Press Officer and there is No Reply to her question!
Going by the number of people who read these threads, we have had a petition on the GSD League web site, a ballot on David Payne's web site and in my opinion not enough people have answered and not enough kennels, so do people really care? I would like to know the opinion of these top kennels just a general opinion to see where we stand; Korzwin, Shotaan, Lararth, Peterwell, Silverleigh, Jemness, Conadrew, Sadira, Carakris, Cedarmarks, Silkenwood, Drumwhannan, Rafaye, Iolanda, Veneze, Jonimay, Darrway, Moonwinds, Clokellys, Crossingate, Kurtridge, Gayville, Olgayans, Robunas, Geeswood, Toilers, I'm sure I may have missed a few Kennels, sorry, but this was just at the top of my head.
These are all very good qualtiy kennels but nothing has come from them, and we need to know what these Kennels think as they are all part and important to our GSD show world.
Kind Regards
Philip Prince
by reason on 26 February 2009 - 11:02
Good post Philip
by nugget on 26 February 2009 - 21:02
Interesting debate
Nugget
Nugget
by Penny on 27 February 2009 - 13:02
Not directly relevant to this thread, but just so that no-one misses this info. Mo
I am delifghted to tell everyone this morning, that
"The Man From Del-Monte, He Say YEAH"
Seriously, Brian Wootton has agreed to get to Crufts (although wasnt going) and represent us as Press Officer. We had a long chat, and he is not in favour of splitting the breed - for very good reasons, as good as for the ones in favour of the split (almost
) - so its all a bit of a head-banger, but I also put others points to him, which he was also interested in. Good Debate... outcome, have a word with him. He will be at Crufts, he will be by the Breed Council Stand, and I urge you all to tell your friends and others that may be asked any questions - to head them into the direction of Brian. say to everyone - that - he will only be effective for us, if he is used. Dont speak with people, and get into hot water, then send them to him, send them right away to "Our Press Officer" - and if you are not sure who is asking questions of you, send em anyway in case.
I Am going to speak with some-one who began this interesting thought - from the Bulldog people, and see how they are going to mann the position, and will be back to you all and to Brian. Incidentally, and very sadly, Brian feels that as KC Liason Officer, he has been consulted about nothing. He is more than happy to get involved in debates about various issues, relating particularly to the KC and health and the welfare of the GSD as a breed - but is not being asked to attend various meetings and not being consulted.As a gentleman, he wouldnt dreamo of asking to be there, but is available if necessary in the eyes of others.
How Sad Is That !!! Brian has a wealth of experience, is a very eloquent man that you could quite imagine could make an impression at the KC - and is willing to be involved. "Willing Workers" and all that.
As well as having no pc - and fairly recently a telephone - he doesnt drive, so would appreciate a lift to the event. Anyone near Wolverhampton? High Heath Essinton to be precise, that would give our Press Officer a lift to Crufts.
Bless you Brian, you live in another age, but are there when required.
Mo - Mascani.
I am delifghted to tell everyone this morning, that
"The Man From Del-Monte, He Say YEAH"
Seriously, Brian Wootton has agreed to get to Crufts (although wasnt going) and represent us as Press Officer. We had a long chat, and he is not in favour of splitting the breed - for very good reasons, as good as for the ones in favour of the split (almost
) - so its all a bit of a head-banger, but I also put others points to him, which he was also interested in. Good Debate... outcome, have a word with him. He will be at Crufts, he will be by the Breed Council Stand, and I urge you all to tell your friends and others that may be asked any questions - to head them into the direction of Brian. say to everyone - that - he will only be effective for us, if he is used. Dont speak with people, and get into hot water, then send them to him, send them right away to "Our Press Officer" - and if you are not sure who is asking questions of you, send em anyway in case.I Am going to speak with some-one who began this interesting thought - from the Bulldog people, and see how they are going to mann the position, and will be back to you all and to Brian. Incidentally, and very sadly, Brian feels that as KC Liason Officer, he has been consulted about nothing. He is more than happy to get involved in debates about various issues, relating particularly to the KC and health and the welfare of the GSD as a breed - but is not being asked to attend various meetings and not being consulted.As a gentleman, he wouldnt dreamo of asking to be there, but is available if necessary in the eyes of others.
How Sad Is That !!! Brian has a wealth of experience, is a very eloquent man that you could quite imagine could make an impression at the KC - and is willing to be involved. "Willing Workers" and all that.
As well as having no pc - and fairly recently a telephone - he doesnt drive, so would appreciate a lift to the event. Anyone near Wolverhampton? High Heath Essinton to be precise, that would give our Press Officer a lift to Crufts.
Bless you Brian, you live in another age, but are there when required.
Mo - Mascani.
by Philip on 27 February 2009 - 13:02
Hi Mo
You have done an excellent job, well done, Brain is a well respected man in the GSD World. We wish him well at Crufts and for sure if anyone ask's us questions at Crufts we will pass them straight on to our Press Officer, Mr Brian Wootton. For the first time it sounds like something good has come from this Database, and the GSD sounds more organized.
We wish everybody success and a great day if your showing at Crufts.
Philip and Kerry
Kennel Shernaa
You have done an excellent job, well done, Brain is a well respected man in the GSD World. We wish him well at Crufts and for sure if anyone ask's us questions at Crufts we will pass them straight on to our Press Officer, Mr Brian Wootton. For the first time it sounds like something good has come from this Database, and the GSD sounds more organized.
We wish everybody success and a great day if your showing at Crufts.
Philip and Kerry
Kennel Shernaa
by Sue B on 27 February 2009 - 15:02
Hi Mo
I was never in any doubt that Brian would say YES and am absolutely delighted that he has confirmed this in his reply to you MO and the fact that he is even now going to Crufts when he had obviously not planned to this year.
As for the other things you have said Mo, I absolutely agree with you. I have had a quite a few interesting telephone chats with Brian over the past year, I actually rang him before Crufts last year to ask him if he would be willing to be the 'official' interpreter for our German visitors should any situation arise where we needed one, especially as Reinhard does not speak any English. Brian was the person I wanted to secure for the job (if needed) because I trusted him emphatically.
We spoke later in the year on how we at West Yks were annoyed that as the BC Elected KC Laison officer why Brian was not invited along to the KC to take part in the discussions re - changes to the standard held in Nov08. As the Official Elected BC Laison officer to me Brian Wooton is the FIRST person that the KC should invite to ANY Meeting they have regarding our breed. He should be the First name on the list before the BAGSD rep, the GSDL rep as he was democratically VOTED for by ALL THE BREED CLUBS therefore In my opinion he is the ONLY PERSON Officiall Elected to Collectively Represent all of us at the KC.
Regards
Sue
I was never in any doubt that Brian would say YES and am absolutely delighted that he has confirmed this in his reply to you MO and the fact that he is even now going to Crufts when he had obviously not planned to this year.
As for the other things you have said Mo, I absolutely agree with you. I have had a quite a few interesting telephone chats with Brian over the past year, I actually rang him before Crufts last year to ask him if he would be willing to be the 'official' interpreter for our German visitors should any situation arise where we needed one, especially as Reinhard does not speak any English. Brian was the person I wanted to secure for the job (if needed) because I trusted him emphatically.
We spoke later in the year on how we at West Yks were annoyed that as the BC Elected KC Laison officer why Brian was not invited along to the KC to take part in the discussions re - changes to the standard held in Nov08. As the Official Elected BC Laison officer to me Brian Wooton is the FIRST person that the KC should invite to ANY Meeting they have regarding our breed. He should be the First name on the list before the BAGSD rep, the GSDL rep as he was democratically VOTED for by ALL THE BREED CLUBS therefore In my opinion he is the ONLY PERSON Officiall Elected to Collectively Represent all of us at the KC.
Regards
Sue
by Videx on 27 February 2009 - 19:02
Sue Belfield would be a Great Asset to our GSD Breed National Organisation.
by 007 on 27 February 2009 - 21:02
Been reading it all, I dont agrree with the split there is only 1 German shepherd Dog and to me that is final, would sue Belfiled be good as she can never make up her mind up if she is going out of the breed or not, that is not 100 % ????
I have not posted for a iong while on the pedigree database, and got an inbox from bundaberg, sorry bundaberg if you are reading this, i dont know what your email means about kids???
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