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by sueincc on 09 February 2009 - 21:02
by Bob McKown on 09 February 2009 - 22:02
Pat:
I hope your web site works well for you and creates a good forum to comunicate with other PPD folks.
The responses you got were in fact a result of your opinion of the reason the PPD training has not taken off in larger numbers you make the reference that people that could be a asset to PPD have gone to other dog sports like schutzhund It,s easy to take your reference as that they are wasting there time or expereince, And the over used reference to "real world protection" gets old for some of us, Then there is the "there perception of protection training is twisted" A couple other "jabs" as it was called by anoither avid poster on this forum so nicely put it, we have heard it all thanks for reminding us.
There are many in Schutzhund who understand the advantage of exposing our dogs to other helpers,decoys, and venues as it makes a more well rounded dog for any work Schutzhund,Ring Sport,KNPV, PSA, SDA,and PPD just don,t act as if Schutzhund training is a lower form of dog sport thats how you come over, I believe you knew and were looking for the response you got so hats off to you.
There are lots of clubs with Bite suits that work there dogs in different situations and do the best they can I personnely would not be bothered to take my dogs(yes schutzhund dogs) to a training in PPD or attend a seminar if hosted by a trainer.
by Videx on 09 February 2009 - 23:02
by zdog on 09 February 2009 - 23:02
by Bob McKown on 10 February 2009 - 00:02
Ok Videx:
It was writin to get the same response as the original post... HELLO VIDEX ARE YOU IN THERE???. Pat you must forgive my friend Videx he has had a lot on his mind trying to understand the importance of bite work in Schutzhund.
by Patrick Murray on 10 February 2009 - 01:02
Again, however, I think some Schutzhund people are a bit too thin-skinned on the topic. The problem is that there are Schutzhund trainers who claim to train real-world PPD dogs that are nothing more than Schutzhund dogs with a PPD designation. Many of these dogs didn't make the grade in Schutzhund and so the dog is then sold to an unknowing consumer as a "protection dog". That can be dangerous to the unknowing consumer who buys one of these dogs under the false pretense that the dog is street worthy when it may have never even bit someone off of its handler's training field. There are undoubtedly many excellent Schutzhund dogs that are real-world ready and able. But a so-called "PPD" dogs should be thoroughly tested in real-world environments prior to being labeled a "PPD".
I thought Schutzhund was supposed to be used to determine the worthiness of dogs for real-world work with the police, security, military and home protection. It seems that Schutzhund is now an end onto itself for much of the Schutzhund community. That's ok with me. But don't begrudge those who want to make sure that their "PPD" is really a PPD.
by Bob McKown on 10 February 2009 - 02:02
Schutzhund is or was a Breed worthiness test that has became too focused on the "sport" aspect of the test and not the utility (in my opinion).
And I,m sure there are PPD trainers who would sell a biting dog solely as a PPD for lots of $$$$ just for the moneys sake.
There are unscrupulise people thru all the venues so singleing out Schutzhund as you have done only throws fuel to the fire and only leads us farther apart and not together as it should be to compliment each others goals and venues.
The same can be said of PPD trainers that they stress to much when compared to Schutzhund they chaffe at the notion.
As the writer of the page you copied here, my opinion is there is a very large chip on his shoulder as that PPD isn,t getting the chance it deserves because decoys and helpers are wasting there time on there pursuits in Schutzhund no other venue is mentioned so one would surmise that his focus is belittling those that pursue Schutzhund.
And in all honesty If I want real street protection it,s called "Colt,Smith and Wesson,Para Ordience," (my favorite) So if we are "thin skinned" It,s a product of the bashing we have put up with from our fellow dog venues. Surley you are not thinking all PPD trainers only have the best intrests of the dog in mind?.
by Patrick Murray on 10 February 2009 - 03:02
In any event, I don't believe the writer's intent was to "bash" Schutzhund but rather to try and clarify a difference between the two.
by Two Moons on 10 February 2009 - 03:02
I think you should just hang here and forget about your new message board...LOL
Moons.
by Bob McKown on 10 February 2009 - 11:02
Pat:
If your ever in North East Indiana look me up and lets work some dogs. We are stronger together then apart.
Hell my idea of cannonized is getting shot out of a howitzer...
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