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by MygsdRebel on 13 January 2009 - 06:01
IMO it depends on the dog, and how they were trained. I have no doubt in my mind if someone came into my house with ill intent, my male is gonna rip him a new one. But, I have doubts with my female. I know she has it in her, I just gotta bring it out. I think all or atleast a good majority of german shepherds have that natural protective ability, if it really came down to it. It's whats in the breed. :) (Or atleast should be!)
-Emily.
by Slamdunc on 13 January 2009 - 16:01
Kathy, thanks for the nice comment on my dog. He is a good dog, with great genetics, but I still would not rely on him to fight my battles alone. 99.9% of the time all you need is a good dog that barks and that will deter most knuckleheads. I still think your odds are better with a dog that has some SchH or PPD training. At the very least you may learn what your dogs limatitions are and can work from there. If I'm at home asleep and some bad guy whose pissed at me for putting him in jail comes to my house after he's been released; all I want is for my dogs to bark and let me know. I'll handle the rest; just give me a few seconds to get my wits about me. I really don't think you can ask too much more than that of most dogs. My police dog better engage, my SchH 3, IPO 2 female, I don't know what she'll do. I've never tested her in that way. The K9 however, has had some very serious, strenous and at times stressful training. So I have a better idea of what he'll do. There not machines, there dogs and I haven't found a perfect one yet. Kinda like us people, we all have our little faults and weaknesses. We just work with what we have.
Jim
by Uglydog on 13 January 2009 - 16:01
I heard through a Police K9 & X Military K9 Handler & good friend, that 1 in 30 Schutzhund titled dogs can make the cut as street working K9s.
Its being Bred OUT of them.....Max's Nightmare has come to life.
Overbreeding, Sport Breeding, emphasis on the Dollar & Bank Balances.
Do Not trust your dog, Unless youve worked with him. Hidden Sleeves, Pressure, different scenarios with multiple attackers.
You dont trust yourself Nor your Firearm, to shoot well without target practice, inspection & Maintenance, do you?.
Fighters train so they dont have to think, just react. Also to prepare their minds & Bodies. Its no different with combative Working Dogs.
by snajper69 on 13 January 2009 - 17:01
Very nice post Jim, I agree with you 100% most people that make the statement that my dog will "f### up" would be surprise how real life scenario changes a dog, put him out side of his turf and you got completely different ball game. Sorry but the pressure put on a dog in a real life is just tremendous, and without training your dog to handle that kind of pressure he will fold 90% of the time, sure there are really tough dog's out there and it comes natural to them but mostly this is not the case. The key in training is increasing stress threshold in a dog that is what makes him effective, training field with a sleeve will not give you that, try to work your dog on sleeve and than move to hidden sleeve, and than put him in a place that the dog is not familiar with and you will see a big change in your dog. Real life is not a game, it happens fast, and there are people that will turn your dog into a B... if they want to. Plus not training him you doing injustice to your dog, because you don't give him the right tools to do the job. SO far I never seen a dog that can make the transition naturally without any training, but maybe you were gifted with a dog like that, I am not saying it is impossible, but its very rare.
by Don Corleone on 13 January 2009 - 17:01
Uglydog
I think that even the police are looking for a different type of dog than they were years ago. With lawsuits and the likes, alot of departments want something different today.
You can say the same thing in reverse. 1 out of whatever k9s would do sch. But what's the point? The GSD has popularity because it is the most versitile breed as a whole.
by snajper69 on 13 January 2009 - 17:01
Don you are right on, I know a lot of local police in my area won't even take GSD's one of the department been trying for a long time, the only thing they were allowed to get was Lab.
by Bancroft on 13 January 2009 - 17:01
Excellent comments Jim/Slamdunc. Thanks.
by Don Corleone on 13 January 2009 - 17:01
Our local PD has a showline GSD. Hey, it matches the nice sticker on the side of the vehicle!
by missbeeb on 13 January 2009 - 17:01
This has been an interesting thread. I've found Slamdunc's (and others) posts very interesting... he has first hand experience. So, I would like to ask Jim et al a question or two.
Do you think the bonding (I hate that word) that comes from productive training, of ANY kind, has as much / anything to do with the dogs willingness to protect its' handler / home etc?
Do you think that a pack (maybe even just 2) is more likely to defend, perhaps because of the available back-up?
by Uglydog on 13 January 2009 - 17:01
Don
I agree most departments want a different dog than in years past.
But I disagree that the Working Police K9s would have difficulty titling in SchH.
If started early, and worked Sport, theyd title up fine.
These are for the most part, the most Sound & authentic of what remains of THE working GSD, as created by the Founder
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