Joe Biden gets a GSD puppy! - Page 4

Biden is now a role model for the public, whether he likes it or not. So to get a pup, whether from titled parents or not, from someone who gives the impression that they breed multpule litters just to breed with no outward sign of health checks, tempment checks, guarentees, with out even giving a nod the standard, that now people are going to flock to, seems very  irresponsible to me.  I personally feel that his choice of breeder, who is mass breeding to get 'pets',  is a slap in the face to breeders that have spent many years of their lives trying to improve the breed through carefull selection and testing for the qualities that have made the GSD the great all around breed that it is. 

I don't believe it is about the titles themselves but that the tiltes show that it its not just the owner saying their dog is trainable, doesn't have horrible confermation and has a good temperment. I don't know of to many  people who can objectively  evaluate their own dogs, for most people their pet dog is the best most perfect dog in the world, Which is as it should be. Yes, I know there are 'midnight' trials. Even if you believe that all judges are liers and cheats, if  that dog has been taken out and worked there are other people who have seen that dog and what it's temperment and working ability are not  just the owner's say so.

Not all breeders who title their dogs are breeding for high end dogs to compete at the world level, many, many are breeding for dogs with even drives, clear heads that have the ablity and temperment to do what the breed was bred for without extremes. Every good breeder has pups that are 'pet' quality and those breeders that have spent years working with GSDs have the knowledge to tell which pup is going to make good quiet, even tempered pets. 

Where do you 'elitist' claimers think the great temperment and well rounded working ablity of the GSD came from? It came from dogs who were proven to meet the Captain's standards through working, trialing and titleing. It didn't happen by breeding dogs that were not proven in some way.

If someone  is claiming that the dogs they breed are even tempered dogs, shouldn't they have some way to back it up by showing that at least some of the dogs they bred have been therapy dogs or service dogs or at least have the ablity to get their CGC.

As far as health issues, genetic or otherwise, there are way more unhealthy pups coming from puppy mills and back yard breeders who don't health check or guarentee health than from reputable breeders who take the time to health check and stand behind the pups they sell.

Inbreeding, where to go there? The good breeders that I know are very careful not to inbreed or even linebreed. They also carefully check pedigrees for health issues of ancestors. That does not go for most people who are like one of my relatives who won't even check past the parents to see if two dogs are related before breeding and he won't OFA  because 'Whats the point? My dogs are not show dogs.'

As far as the JoLindy website( which is just a website and doesn't tell everthing) it is lacking in many  areas.  There are two diferent pages on males, with parents,  but nothing on the females, why?, There are no OFA or 'A' stamp rating listed for any of the males or any other health checks, why? There are no litter dates or number of pups per litter, why? There is not even a line about if she guarentees her pups, why? There is not one line about anything her pups have acomplished or references from people who loved the pup they got from her.

If Biden had got a GSD from a shelter or rescue GREAT. It would have sent John Q. Public rushing to shelters and rescues to save dogs. .

Biden is now a role model for the public, whether he likes

So much "Talk" and no facts...Geeezzzz how sad. Biden didn't select the breeder...he selected the breed he wanted. A friend (In Security) Selected the dog and where it came from. Why do people always add so much crap to a story??? State the facts.....not all the crap.

I'm pleased Biden got a GSD pup, especially since he has owned GSDs in the past.  I hope we get to see a lot of cute pictures of the pup as he grows up.  I'm pretty sure he is a little too busy to do kennel research himself, and anyway, whats done is done.  Do you think you are going to make him take the puppy back?  Take it easy, let him enjoy his pup.  Mystere is right, it sounds just like sour grapes, especially to the general public!

Anika, seventy- five% of all dogs in Germany are showline,,,,,,look up any showline dog you want and you will see substantial in/linebreeding(how do you think they all look black and red????), they all have these titles that make them responsible breeders in your mind..".yet you know of few to any people that in/linebreed their dogs"....well if 75% do, how valid is your premise to start. How do you account for the difference in working ability between working lines and showlines, is it the breeding practices of these responsible breeders or do we blame this on untitled breeders also. But the same way you feel about untitled breeders, I feel about breeders that have linebred on the same two dogs for 10 straight generations. I think they created a dog that is more Golden than German, and guess what they all have titles!!! So I guess we see things differently.

That puppy does not look 4 monthes old!!!

damned if they do and damned if they don't. have any of the critics bothered to email or call or even snail mail the biden office or website to offer their profound insights and knowledge? why gripe and whine about it here? we can't "fix it" - maybe it doesn't need fixing. i hope they get a wonderful pup - period. i hope the president-elect obama and his family get a wonderful pup too - whatever it is.  geez, can't some of you just look at things with a positive bias instead of automatically going for something ugly?

btw, for people with allergies who still want a dog, breeders are trying to fill that niche. it will take time to fully establish a breed. the german shepherd dog didn't appear fully formed you know. it took years and apparently it isn't done yet. i've met some "goldendoodles" and, while not my choice of dog, have been very well behaved, nice tempered, great for therapy dog work (besides the temperment and training, they do cause LESS allergic reactions). maybe some are "namby-pamby", but i haven't seen them. sounds like some people are trying to be macho through their dogs. to me, that's as bad as using a dog as an accessory.

Don't lump me with the rest of them all I said is the pup does not look 4 months old .I could care less were he got the dog from or its pedigree or lack of one.I saw it on our local news today ,,it just looks younger then 4 months old...I wasn't criticizing anything or any one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19tRBDFWkyw

The NBC Nightly News at 6:30 p.m. is covering the story.  Someone I compete with in AKC obedience was interviewed from the stand point of owning a dog from this kennel.  It is suppose to air tonight.

Cheryl

Looks like the grandsire is a Leerburg dog, one of the 300+ litters Frawley breed.  Can't be too bad of a pup, however, the moms to this sire leave a lot to be disired in the looks department!

Hopefully, this will be a great 2nd dog to the USA and will prove to be a good dog.  I missed the newscast, though, any mud slinging?