Bloat Again... - Page 4

You are very correct, Uber land, bloat and hiding it as the cause of death is not exclusive to the Am Lines. I should not have said that.

Goofy: “IreneM, sounds like you have produced and sold GSDs that have died of gastric torsion and now just want to minimize your responsibility in improper breeding, use of sire and dam that carry bad polygenics for such. It's an old game, try to shift causation of polygenically determined genetic problems to environmental strees and the responsibility of the buyer rather than the breeder accepting responsibility. You appear to be endlessly confounded in your thinking, typical of a few UK breeders that I know.  Good thing most UK breeders know better.”

What complete tripe! Fact or reason or scientific research touches numbskull Goof not! “Carry bad polygenics”!!! Can ya not read Goofy! Do you really believe your opinionated rubbish is superior to extensive medical research? Like all you inventions, and as you spend all your time in this forum, it is doubtful you know any UK breeders or “old time breeders”! As for all your posts, you seem to constantly fabricate pretty little stories as you go along. The closest you’ve gotten to real breeders appears to be on the internet. Otherwise you would not be trumpeting non-stop garbage! Messaging your own ego is your real bag!

Goofy: “That is why it is so important for breeders to share information openly about dogs known to have produced this in puppies and lines. Because gastric dilation, torsion and/or splenic torsion/colic are polygentically determined they can appear as recessive gene combinations and can skip generations.  Thus the GSDs parents may not have suffered any bouts or either of these three disorders.”

“Recessive gene combinations”!! Are you just nuts or what! Not one of your idiotic remarks connects even remotely with expert opinion!

Goofy: “I never had a GSD bloat or knew of one that was an easy belcher after eating.  One of my vets, an old time vet who is deceased now, insisted that easy belching was a heritable trait (conformation and innervation which produced this genetically) and prevented gastric dilation which could then tear the mesentery and lead to the dilated gas filled stomach or intestine section rising like a balloon and twisting, thus obstructing the blood flow and killing the tissues and the dog. The GSDs that I have that belch easily started doing so as young dogs usually at 2-3 months old.  I love to see that trait and it is apparently a dominant gene.”

Fanciful invention! Belching may alleviate the onset of bloat, but once it starts the animal is no longer able to belch. “An old time vet who is deceased now, insisted that easy belching” etc. Yes, sure thing Goof! Keep ‘em coming!

Goofy: “It is known by some experienced veterinarian emergency surgeons that splenic torsion is often caused by excessive jumping and twisting at the end of a kennel run, excessive fence running/"fighting" with other dogs in the adjacent kennels, or banging against the side of his kennel door when going through it or jumping down on some obstruction.”

“Experienced veterinary emergency surgeons” you met on the internet or only in your addled nightmares”?  At least make up your mind! Not “because gastric dilation, torsion and/or splenic torsion/colic are polygentically determined.”?

Bolt ya rocket Goofy!  Away with ye!
 

We had issues with our DS when she turned about 5 years.  She would all of a sudden get an upset tummy of sorts with gulping air, licking the carpet, eating anything that was not tacked down. With all the air... bloat.  We charted the times when they would happen. At first it was each month ( a few days after sentinal dose ) , she had alot of fecal material in the intestines, barium study showed  a little slow empty but should not have been an issue.  Management was took off sentinal, switched to revolution for her, placed on low residue dry dog food, feed small amount but more times during the day, and made sure she did both jobs in the morning and at night. We did not change all the above overnight it was done one step at a time over several months to a year. With this only have maybe one issue a year she is 9 now.

If the bloating issue continues maybe have the vet tack the stomach in place to keep it in the right position for the anatomy of the dog.  I am still on the fence about breed specific,  I feel it is anatomy of any animal that walks on four legs, the positioning of organs and gravity. This is just from observation and is just my opinion. I hope this helps.

Irene, just curious - are you really a female and have you had other names on this board? You write very much like another poster who makes  visits here under many different screen names only to belittle those who disagree by flaunting what he considers to be superior intelligence and breed knowledge. That wouldn't be you, would it? Guess not.

Any chance you could return to the topic at hand and get out of Preston's face? We get it, you don't agree with him. There really is  no need to keep beating him into the ground.. These people are very concerned about their dogs and bloat, give them a break and address those concerns.

Does anyone know if anything has become of the study for a DNA marker for bloat that was suppose to be conducted ?

I haven't heard a word, Trailrider. Will try to get some information on that today or tomorrow.  Maybe a GSDCA member here will have the information, I think  that club was involved. My guess is they are still looking for DNA samples from dog that have bloated or from first degree relatives.. I think that study was part of one that also included trying to understand how herding dogs retain their instincts after generations of dogs that have not been introduced to livestock. Pretty interesting stuff, not?

Interesting stuff, YES!!!

Rath again? or Dr. Bobby/shortstuff?