V rated working line males in the US? - Page 4

To the OP, are you looking for V rated and koer'd or just V? 

Good list going from everyone.

Others in this thread have touched upon this (Molly and SKI) but to expand...  just food for thought...

The ability/desire/attitude to title and koer a working line dog in this country is simply not the same as that in Europe.  Attending the BSP last year, I would guess at least seventy-five percent, if not more, of those dogs had breed surveys (I'd have to find my catalog for exact numbers).  I would be curious as to the number of those GSDs breed surveyed at the AWDF, North Americans or Nationals.  Look at our recent world teams (2006 comes to mind).  IMO, the emphasis just isn't there, its more on training, titling, competing.  

Then filter that down to the regional and club level.   Having driven upwards of 20 hours and a minimum of 6 hours to a conformation show/breed survey, how many with those at club level or even regional level get a conformation rating or breed survey their dogs - especially when there are judges that give out G's or KKl2 based upon coloring - sable, its a working line dog, not even really looking at the dog.  Not very encouraging. 

On the bright side, I do see the tide changing (attitude), but as others have said, by the time one sees what a dog can produce, both in the work and structure (title'd and koer'd), its usually too late.

Just to add a bit to Karlas post. I have seen some iffy dogs get SG's and V's. So something for people to consider who are real hell bent on kkl before breeding is to check the judge giving it.

If its important then I would say its more important to see the judge on the breed survey then to care about the judges in the trial score book.

While it is true that some iffy dogs get SG's and V's, the same holds true for titles.  Dogs have good and bad days, judges can be overly generous or overly critical be it a rating, a breed survey, or a title.  Anytime humans are involved in any endeavor, there is a matter of "judgement".  That's why its important to view the total package.  Look beyond the rating and scores, read and understand the survey, educate yourself and look to the dog - watch dogs not only trialing but if possible in training and their progeny.

Karla

Molly stated: " I say if anyone is interested in a dog don't wait for the titled offspring, instead look at the dog himself, if you  like him and like his pedigree, look at the offspring who are working, if you  like them - go for it. "
 

I agree. I've seen dogs (in other breeds) that were good dogs who had few or no working offspring of age. People took the chance that the dog could produce. Sure enough they did. As a matter of fact they became the hottest studs out there. So the people who bred to them before they became popular wound up with great offspring for a fraction of the cost that the others that waited.

Of course it doesn't always work out but then again the breeding may not work if you go with a top stud. Not matter what it's always a crap shoot.

I agree, waiting is a tricky and risky game...I have looked into a lot of the dogs you were all kind enough to post, and have been impressed with how many of them have many V rated dogs in their pedigrees.

My beloved V Carol vom Arolser Holz, SchH3, FH1 (100pts.) FH2, KK1, a/e normal placed tow time V in the German Sieger show at ages two and three, has.and does produce V / KK1 progeny. 

I always have at least a couple of V Rated, KK1  working line dogs in my kennel/breeding program, three in residence at this time, & more coming.  http://www.frauengarten.net/Carol1.html

SS

Carol-

Whoops - completely forgot about "T" - Carol - I knew there was one (or more) I left out.  Excellent dog, another one for the list for anyone who wants a working-line stud that can produce excellence in the work AND structure!

molly

A lot of very nice V rated dogs have been presented here in this thread.  I especially like V-Eagle and V-Carol.  Hat's off to the owners of these fantastic animals.  If you want to talk about perfect GSD temperament with nice conformation, here it is in both of these praiseworthy dogs.  Congratulations to both owners.

T (Carol) is blushing under all that fur, but not so hunbly as not to showcase his daughters and son from his first breeding with his dainty-but-bitchiy wife, V-Gabi Aroler Holz, SchH1, KK1, a-normal.

• V3 Walberta v. Arolser Holz, SchH1, FH1, KKQ, a-normal,
• SG (Young Dog Class) Waldegrund ARolser Holz, BH, (SchH1) a
  
• Police K9 Walo, Certified Police K9 in Great Britain
• This litter is linebred on a full sister to my wonderful old go some of you may remember V Pallo Arolser Holz, SchH3, KK1, a1.

Ok, Ok Gabi. I'm getting to them!

Gabi (the shamelss hussy)  is rather rudely reminding not to forget to brag up her daughters, produded while she and Carol were seperated for a time.

• V Daria Arolser Holz, SchH1 (282 pts) KKK1, a-normal.  (From Snooopy Fasanerie)  and
• V Georgia Arolser Holz, SchH1, KK1, a1, (from Ken Aroler Holz)

Gabi was bred to Eagle in March for an early May litter.  She asks you all not to mention this to Carol, but I'm thinking sooner or later he's going to find out. 

Below: V3 Walberta Aroler Holz, SchH1, FH1, KK1, a1  (Carol x Gabi)

Below- SG (Young Dog Class) Waldegrund vom Arolser Holz, BH, (SchH1) a (Carol x Gabi)

Below: Police K9 Walo Arolser Holz, Certified Police K9 in Great Britain (Carol x Gabi)

Below  :V Daria Arolser Holz, SchH1 (282 pts) KKK1, a-normal.  (Father Snoopy Fasanerie)

Below: V Georgia Arolser Holz, SchH1, KK1, a1, (Father V  Ken Aroler Holz)