Using a ball to out for sleeve - Page 4

Candis, no issues here.  I'm assuming when you say "send off" you mean sending the dog after the decoy, like a long attack.  Any dog worth it's salt won't be distracted by a tennis ball.  We do scenario training with the Police dogs, one scenario simulates a bar room brawl with a cop being assaulted.  The room has blasting music, loud disorderly people screaming, the lights are turned on and off.  As the handler get s ready to send the dog, unkown to the handler someone throws a cup of water in the dogs face.  None of the dogs are really concerned or distracted by all of that.  The trick is too make sure the dog bites the right person.  So a ball distracting a dog in drive not likely. 

YR: We start new police dogs initially on sleeves to develop the bite.  Sleeves are great for developing a full hard bite.  However, we quickly move to a full bite suit and target the back and not the arms.  We will use hidden sleeves to avoid equipment fixation.  But, we don't want sleeve happy dogs.  We do muzzle work which helps to build fight drive and avoid equipment fixation and correct any issues with sleeve happy dogs.  So sleeves are a small part of the program.

Jim

Thanx again Jim :) :) I tried to tell the wing nut that but of course you know I am a women! so that don't wash with some air heads. LOL! None of my dogs ever redirected after a send off they had thier focus right on the mark. I had one female so intense that when I said Stop or I'll send the dog she'd of course light up,  if I did not release her after the second direction she would snap at me. I'd give her a look and say focus and she did. The one decoy climbed up a tree ran through the tree house and down the slide, right after him was my girl. LOL he paid in the end.. I miss that dog she was one of a kind!

I dont swap the toy for the sleeve or vice versa. I always use the object of desire to condition the out. It works well for me.
You can see three dogs outing on the toy in the video and of course do they all out on the sleeve as well.
All the best
Ulf

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My dogs all learned the out with a boot, shoe, wood log, wild animals anything really ....

Now I learned I messed up with the out, I recalled right away.  I think I messed up, because now, I can't break Granduer of it. She's too quick for my sit command. Darn it.

So now, I have to somehow when I call out ... get Granduer to just out and sit. Looks like I need a leash for this one.

Is there an easy way instead of useing a leash ? It's really timing, because if she would just pause for split sec, I think she would listen. How do I do this ?

 

Y R that's funny! :) Got to love it!

Personally, I wouldn't want a dog that would out for a ball or other toy.  I'm into shepherds (for sport) and a dog that would even think about a ball during protection is not a dog I'd expect great things from.  I see this a being a potential breed thing - I don't think most mals care what they are biting, as long as they are biting something - so maybe the ball is as good as the next thing.  The shepherds (good ones) seem to enjoy the fight, including the non-biting parts (guarding) as much as the bite, and I don't think they can begin to get the satisfaction from a ball that they get from a helper.  To me, a shepherd that would out for a ball is just way too over to the prey side of things, mals might be a different story.

-Calvin