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by Blitzen on 04 February 2008 - 00:02
I'll have a pair of Jacks (or better) too 
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by FionaDunne on 04 February 2008 - 00:02
They don't make 'em until you order them, folks. 
by Jim Stile on 04 February 2008 - 01:02
In defense of the dog again,
The crate was designed to "crate train" young dogs and for transportation. Period! A crate is not for training a dog. What are you going to do? Punish him? All the dog will learn is to be anti-social and defensive of his crate.
Another falacy is that crating a dog will build drive and get high scores in Schutzhund. Give me a break please. The dog on the outboard motor can V at any club trial and tied for 3rd at the Nationals. He does not know what a crate or kennel is. Nor, do any of my dogs
My Trunk Monkey in his crate at the 2006 Nationals
Whenever you are considering doing something to your dog.................................ASK...........would I want this done to me?
by FionaDunne on 04 February 2008 - 01:02
It's for containment and safety when unsupervised and during transportation. Nothing more outside of potty training a young pup living in the house...where they should be.
by Yvette on 04 February 2008 - 02:02
Again, this is not my dog & never would be. The dog in question was trained this way was in the 90's before I met him. DaKota was crated when I first got her. She was 1 1/2 yrs. old & not housebroken. The only time she was crated was when I could not take her out with me (not very often) & when I went to bed. I only did this for a very short time.When I decided I wanted to keep her is when I Volunteered her crate to our local animal shelter. She is a family pet & has proven to me that she needed no protection training. Awesome dog around my kids. Loves them to death. We live in the country, so she gets to hike with us & we also have a private pond across the street we go to alot. We haven't tried her in a boat yet. My phobia is she'll try to jump in the water. We have done the sheep herding thing. It went well for a while, until she sat on an electric fence. Afetr that she wanted no part of the sheep. I wil not push her. The other dog, Klyde, is a house dog only & only goes out for potty breaks twice a day. 10 mins. each time. NOT my dog.
by Yvette on 04 February 2008 - 02:02
by FionaDunne on 04 February 2008 - 02:02
Yvette:
Yes, this thread did get off track. The fact is there are many who feel passionately about this negative practice that your BF's friend (alleged trainer) practices and that your BF is pushing with your DaKota.
It's an unacceptable, cruel, unconscienable practice on so very many levels as regards not only the pup, but humanity.
The bottom line is that it's up to you to protect your pup. He or she can't tell your BF to take his "ideas" and "theories" and go to hell. It's up to you to do that in his/her defense.
If you can't or won't do that then re-home him/her to someone who can/will take the time to treat the pup as it should be treated. As part of the family. Given exercise and socialization and training. Crated only to eat and sleep at night or when there is no supervision for safety's sake.
Good luck with your DaKota.
by Yvette on 04 February 2008 - 02:02
Thanx FionaDunne. I have had DaKota for about 7 yrs. now. She is an awesome pet & really fun to be with. I told my Boy Friend in the begining that I want to train her humanely & he did respect that. He does understand that she is MY DOG.
That is just the way he was taught & will train his dogs. :( Klyde is now elderly (almost blind & deaf). He's looking at getting his sister's puppy in the future.
by FionaDunne on 04 February 2008 - 04:02
You're welcome, Yvette on the DaKota issue. I'm sure that she's such a good companion and fun to be around because you trained her humanely.
I'm very sorry to hear about him getting another pup from his sister and continuing to train that way, though.
I hope you'll be able to step in, in defense of the pup he gets from is sister, and remind/teach him that a good trainer learns and considers other training methods more proven than those he currently plans to use.
Personally, if he even attempted to train a dog like that in my home he'd be out on his ass before he could say "Sitz. Bleib." or in his case, "Crate". I have no time personally for anyone who must abuse or treat an animal cruelly to make themselves feel like they have something between their legs.
Good luck with DaKota, Klyde and the new pup. I hope all works out well.
by LMH on 04 February 2008 - 16:02
Well......this thread just about completes my "all warm and fuzzy " reading for one morning.
Glad to see you got rid of the crate...........now.........how about getting rid of the BF?
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