Isnt this a little much for line breeding? - Page 4

Yeah, like they did to Fred Lanting for telling them the truth... Well, she's got the Ursus genes to balance out the ones from Dallas, and I think the Imp-Cen dogs carry some good genes, though I wish I had more info on the more recent generations. She eats like a horse, has nonstop ball drive, and pushes my 80 lb. male to the point where he has to let her know who's boss. She has her mom's gorgeous movement...there was a very good reason her mom was named "Wings of Grace"! We'll just have to see what the future holds for my GSD 'mutt'. ED...erectile dysfunction...LOL! :-)

Oh Louise- you know so much about American lines...my girl is linebred on Fanto vom Hirschel(sp?), but she is American bred through her dam's dam, who's sire, I believe, was Vonshore's Archie, whoi has Toppelt Jay's Hawkeye as his dam's sire,(I think, I'm easily confused). I have tryed for years but cannot find info on her greatgranddam's lines, someone recently filled in a picture of one of her ancesters, which just thrilled me, Sunsilver, you recently posted how hard it is to finish some of these these pedigrees, I can truely relate, you have no idea how excited I was to see that photo of Vonshore's Pyrite! I've been trying to complete hers for almost 4 years! I cannot find any more info on some of her ancestors, Such as Grauberger's Girl Gretchen, Woodside's Steeler (I think). Here's a link to her pedigree, I'd sure appreciate some more info if anyone has any! Thank you so much! http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/498274.html Thanks again! jackie harris

Kalibeck, I believe the dog you're thinking of is Dopplet Tay's Hawkeye. He's in a lot of American pedigrees. Let me check the spelling and get back to you...

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/403457.html Okay, it's Doppelt-Tay's Hawkeye. I believe he's in Star's pedigree way back, too. Kind of like Lance, he pops up everywhere!

Louise, I remember well when Gilligan's Island died, it left the GSD people around here shaken and in tears. He was so well loved not only for his conformation, but he had a really nice disposition and ring presence. Not a Manhattan, but close to it. I'll never forget the wife of my GSD judge "friend" (you know who - won't mention his name) called me sobbing and crying saying that dog had died from bloat. It was a terrible tragedy and that hit the Am lines breeders like the death of Yasko or Ursus would hit the GSD world. Frankly when Dallas died I cried myself. He was such a nice representive of the breed with a wonderful temperament.He was a great embassador not only for the AKC style dog, but for GSD's in general. The public doesn't know the difference between imports and AKC lines, they only know it's a GSD and Dallas did the breed a lot of good in that respect. Very, very sad he died so young. I thought he was 10, maybe not. I know what it's like to lose a GSD at an early age so I sympathized with all these owners. I do have a nice story about an Am line dog - Uzi. He lived to be around 14 if I remember right. His owner cried for a month after she found him dead under his favorite tree in her back yard. He looked as is he was sleeping until she tried to wake him. She couldn't talk about it for months, don't we all know that feeling. Too bad they all can't have such a nice long life and pass away on their own. It's all about health and longevity in my mind. My first GSD was sired by an import g-son of Dingo v Haus Gero. His dam was American lines. My dog only lived to be 7 1/2 and was sick with something most of his life. His sire died fairly young, but I never was quite sure why and I don't know about his dam. Blitz is 6 and so far, knock on wood, he has never seen a vet for being sick, a very nice change. He's 100% showlines. Sunsilver, you have the best of the current Am lines I think. I'd be proud of her if she were mine; she looks very nice on the photos I've seen.

Thanks, Blitzen! Still waiting on those #$%^&&#@!!! damn papers! But we can see the light at the end of the tunnel...AKC called the breeder last week to say the litter registration would soon be in the mail! (He says he's gonna frame it once he finally has it...lol!) If he doesn't put the individual papers in the mail to me the minute he gets his hands on them, I'm gonna personally drive down there and...well, nevermind... One of the dogs in your ped is a German dog with no info on her sire/dam. That should be easy to find! Ledi von Kreuzbaum...you even have her SZ number! What's the best site for finding the German dogs' info? The one someone posted the other day sucks for anything over 10 years old. I was stuck on my pup's pedigree with one of Dallas's ancestors. Then, someone from Ferrum GSD's filled in the blanks. There's a lot of info on the Ferrum site, or you could try e-mailing the person that runs it. Here's the link: http://www.ferrum.8m.com/selgsds/links.htm Hope this helps!

Thanks for the link; the minute I have 2 consequetive minutes to sit down again I'll check it out...you're right about the name...told you, I'm easily confused, LOL, especially right now. And on a happy note, my girl's 1/2 American lines dam had her last litter at 9, and is still fit & feisty @ 11, in fact almost 12. jackie harris

Finally getting those papers! Great, now you can make some plans for her future. BTW I think most of the GSD breed books have tons of pedigrees so you might be able to complete a pedigree using them. There are also some German pedigrees in one or two of them. Louise might know which books I'm talking about - one of her dogs is on the cover.

Cool, cool, cool! Now you know what kind of life I have, that finding this kind of stuff sends me into a total tizzy! What a great Christmas present! A LOT more of Kalie's pedigre is now linked! I need to find Calloway's Elizabeth Taylor now....I can't say thank you enough! jh

Kalibeck, it was Jo-Ann of FerrumGSDs who posted the missing info on Doppelt-Tay's Hawkeye. I've just thanked her in the "Elbows and Nero Norbactal" thread. Maybe she can help you with finding Elizabeth Taylor? (Try California or the IMDB, maybe?) LOL! Yeah, it's very satisfying to get the info linked up. When doing Star's ped., I'd sometimes have to enter 3 or 4 generations by hand before getting a link. It was a great feeling when it finally happened! :-))