Best e-collar for training? - Page 4

Well said, Louise, excellent advise!  I like the Dogtra models myself.

I forgot to add that I (like Louise) have applied the ecollar to myself.  It is shocking, but not painful when used properly.  Usually those who are opposed to ecollars have either seen them used incorrectly, never seen them used or have never felt the shock themselves.

I have felt it also. At low levels it's like a good tap. In no way is it painfull.

please be absolutely sure that your dog knows the command and understands fully what is expected of him BEFORE using the e-collar.  using the e-collar as a training aid on an untrained dog is just unfair and causes a great deal of confusion in the dog.  trial and error.......if i do this i get zap, if i do that i get zap.......eventually the dog uses avoidance to prevent being zapped.  not an effective way to train.  sometimes more problems are created than solved.  there is no substitute for a good foundation training.  tools for communication and correction can always be added, but they are not allowed on the trial field so they become one more thing you must wean away from.  if you become too dependant on these aids, your dog will deliver an unreliable performance at the trial.

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If you are using for fine tuning the Dogtra 200NCP works great.  It is the least expensive and I use the pager button more often than anything else.

vennebjerg - I use the e-collar BECAUSE i love my dog.  I have a high drive dog and when we are hiking there is no way in hell she is out without a collar, and that is for her own safety.  You ever have a high drive dog chase a rabbit and run through a barbed wire fence?  My recall is excellent, however when she is in drive she is deaf!!

The 200NCP can be found online for about $200.00, but I found mine on Ebay brand new full warranty through Covey Run Kennels for $149.00

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That's quite enough Dopamine for you rpaulson!!! 

Question - If I were to ask whether the Genlte Leader or the Halti were a better head collar would I get the same respose as this poster is getting when asking which e-collar to use? 

This was a question about which training tool was "better ", but ecollar posts always seem to pull out those who have such an emotional response, it is unbelievable.   It took me watching my dog run THROUGH a fully charged cattle fence chasing a goat, getting zapped (heard it), and not even flinching to realize that nothing would stop her once drive was engaged. The ecollar, timed properly, allowed me to stop her in the brief moment (freeze and stare) before the chase.  The results were long lasting,  even without the collar you could see her freeze, think, and relax.  There is no way I could have timed any other correction to fix that problem and this was after long failed attempts at desensitization towards farm animals.  I also like and use the clicker, food, treats, etc.

Personally, I have seen more abuse of the "nonviolent" training tools than some of the ones considered barbaraic.  Evern seen a correction given with a "genlle leader"?  I have you cant tell me twisting a dogs head to its shoulder is less traumatic than a little sting - they well them here at PetSmart with no instruction.  I have also seen prong collars dangling like necklaces (ow) and chokes put on backwards (so that they really ARE chokes)

 We need to remember these are all TOOLs.  I can build a house with a hammer or I can smash in someone's skull.  It is all in HOW it is used, now what it is.  It is a tool that needs to be used carefully and with training..

"This was a question about which training tool was "better ", but ecollar posts always seem to pull out those who have such an emotional response, it is unbelievable."

This is what makes me angry. Everytime someone even mentions and e-collar on this board there are always the people that claim how cruel they are. It gets very old! It's a proven tool used by many proven people if you don't like it, just keep it to yourself or make your own post about how you don't like e-collars or something. If you think it's cruel then you are simply not educating yourself on the device. It does not hurt, try it on yourself at normal levels. You will feel dumb the first time you hit yourself with it because you will jump a little bit due to the anxiety you have built up over it but after the first time you will realize how silly you were for thinking it was so bad.

Dogtra collars rock by the way. Super reliable.

Yep.  Same thing when you bring up tables.  (rolling eyes)