The GSD must SPLIT away from The Alsation! - Page 39

Not typing properly again folks, sorry.... the below para should read

Thanks all for keeping this ongoing progress (and it now is progress, I can assure you) going

 

thanks all for keeping this ongoing porogress - and it now is progress I can assure you - going.     Mo

I'm from the US, but I wanted to put my two cents in on this.  If there are people who refuse to call their swaybacked, black and tan dogs German Shepherds, and prefer, instead, to call them Alsatians, then let them.  If they choose to adhere to a different structure than what the rest of the world recognizes as the standard, then by all means, that should represent a different breed.  In order to adhere to a standard, all the breeders have to be dedicated to maintaining a breed standard, and to breeding dogs that embody the qualities it calls for.  If every individual is going to breed what they think is pretty and perfect, and the standard be damned, then why bother with one at all?

I wish you all the best in negotiating a split between the two breeds, but I have to say that if the GSD and Alsatian become two different breeds, in very short order the Alsatian will cease to exist, since the gene pool is already very shallow, and setting that "variety" apart will ensure its demise, since the new rules state that breedings can no longer take place between immediate relatives after March.  Maybe that is for the best...

While we're at it, maybe we should do something similar here in the US.  (Impossible, I know)  The American Shepherd show dogs (and many of the pet dogs, as well) are so overbred and so extreme in temperament and structure that I can't see that they should be called German Shepherd Dogs, either.  When I see one of Covy tucker hills' dogs standing there stacked, being honored as a top show dog, I wonder how the judge could even place the dog, let alone give it top honors.  Some of them are so stretched out that you wonder if that rear leg will collapse like an overloaded beam.  Scary.  No wonder they have so many health problems.   I'd call these dogs American Shepherds, since they bear only a passing resemblance to the true German Shepherd Dog.

Crys

'Im from the US, but I wanted to put my two cents in on this.  If there are people who refuse to call their swaybacked, black and tan dogs German Shepherds, and prefer, instead, to call them Alsatians,

I will drop down dead before my dog is called an alsation

Georgehopwood,

I didn't mean to imply that all shepherds in the UK should be called Alsatians.  I stated, and I repeat, that if there are people who refuse call their swaybacked, black and tan dogs German Shepherds, and prefer to call them Alsatians, then let them.  The German Shepherd that most of us know and love isn't swaybacked, and knockkneed, but strong.  I'd hope the majority of the dogs in the UK are not poor specimens, like they are here, but as I said, if they are determined that this type of GSD is an Alsation, then whatever.  Split the breeds, or not.  But it's hard to have dozens of different varieties of the same breed and have any semblance of unity in the breed.

If a split does occur, it will spell doom for the Alsatian.  Because the majority of the world breeds German Shepherd Dogs, not Alsatians, and you can't manufacture new blood.

And please don't drop down dead.  In my opinion, German Shepherd Dogs are German Shepherd Dogs.  If a breeder is determined to create their own image of the perfect dog, and going outside the standards, then a person needs to do something different with the breed name, like the Shiloh Shepherds here in the US.  At least, they shouldn't try to sell the sub-standard dogs as being better than others that do fit the standard.  End of story.

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xitahausberg  I hear your concerns, and am sure that the KC should be held accountable - but if it is to the breedeers and breedclubs, we go back again to unity.
The only thing that we have it seems mostly unity on at present is the abhorant and immediate change to the breed standard, and the fact that it seems the majority want a split in the breed.  I dont agree with you that it will take the breed backwards, why should it?  It will take the back biting out, it will take the incidence of two totally different looking dogs entering one ring and it will certainly leave no one in any doubt as to what is a GSD and what is an Alsatian, and then people can make up their minds fairly and squarely what they like and would like to buy or breed.  At present, puppy buyers can be swayed either way by the fact that this breed has 2 names from the KC - swallowing up a lot of diffeent points on either side that they may or may not like.  I am in recept of an excellent document that has been written by a gentleman that prefers Alsatians - and believe me when I say it is excellent, he upholds the split and in fact has lots of brilliant ways to go about it.  I am going to call him, and discuss it, and hopefully move forward.
Pacosbear - what does bump mean??   I did hear a discussion about this some time ago on the dtb but I have forgotten why people just write bump.sorry       Mo

bump is to bump it to the top of the message board

 Why don't we just split everything..let's have:

1. GSD (Malinois Type) wk line
2. GSD (bridge type) german show lines
3 GSD (crippled type) Am. eng. austalian-canadian show
4. GSD (collies type) long coat

We can argue all day but It will not split because they all come from the same genetic pool..I know..it is frustrating for wk folks that loose sleep over it and pray for Max (like people love to name him like they know him personnaly) to come back and destroy all those fake GSDLOL..

 

july

Your post is not helpful to those that are seriously trying to get a solution - and there is overwhelming support and a great document to hand that will be put to use when the author sees fit (very soon in fact)   I am pleased for you that you can end your post GSD LOL  -  I could not laugh out loud at the state of our breed/s at present.