The decline of the German Shepherd character - Page 35

Ibrahim, unless the breeding of the gsd is directed by one governing body, as the sv has done in Germany, their will be variations in structure of the WL gsd. The trend I see with some breeders of WL gsd, is that they are choosing to follow the sv SL structured gsd. So those WL gsd do not have working structure, nor temperament.
Ibrahim, one very important thing I believe you are not taking into consideration, is that the breed standard is a Guide describing the IDEAL german shepherd; the breed standard is a goal of perfection for which to aim ...in real life there is no perfection. Therefore, the breeder of the gsd should do their best to approximate the breed standard. The breed standard is like the proverbial carrot on a stick.
I believe most WL gsd approximate the breed standard much more closely than the SL.
LE departments seem to request dogs with exaggerated drives compared to the breed standard description, just as sport does. However, LE must have strong environmental nerve in order to perform their work effectively, where as the sport dogs can perform on the field with less than acceptable for the breed standard. Temperament of the true working dogs also require more soundness than the sport dog, or show line.

I hear you Joanro and Haz carefully and with open mind, I agree to some points and disagree to others, and sometimes I feel some of your views are done from an angle and not from a whole thorough perspective, but that in no way makes them less valuable or credible.

I would like to know what showpeople think of the pedigrees i posted on page 41.

Is that something they would do or buy a dog like that ?

I am not sure I can be categorized in "show people", but my answer is yes in regards to structure and agile build provided temperament is very good and drives are good and balanced, and I am serious I would go for such a chance. Any one has a similar pedigree and temperament is not compromised I will buy.

Mr Haz and Joanro  all the credits very good posts.............

This is the type of dog that should be line bred on.  A good representation of his Sire and Grandsire. Undoubtedly people like Mackenzie would consider him excessively savage.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm8UeaOftYo

^ rubbish, the croup is too steep...or not steep enough, it's always one of those two, i can never remember which.

 

nuff said;

 

 

Is German Shepherd a pure breed?

Is there a written standard for it?

Do I hear some saying "who cares"?

Do I hear some saying "I know better"?

Do I hear some saying "since SV can make modification I can too"?

Do I hear some saying " my GSD is much better than what standard describes"?

 

Oh, yes, yes, it was Martin who screwed the GSD. Walter Martin you are so naughty, no good morning to you

 

 

Haz - As far as the inbreed in the dog’s that you like is concerned please note that it is predominately in the 4^th and 5^th generation. In the ones that not solely fall within this range only Otis v Ron has a 3-2 inbreed. The others have only used one parent to step out of the 4^th and 5^th generation. Perhaps you can now see that there is a significance in my approach, after all I was practising exactly what the breeders you so admire were doing.

I have seen in the flesh most of the dogs in the bloodline of the dogs in your first 4 examples and many of them I have admired. If you look at the dogs in any of the examples then one thing is apparent and that is that more attention was paid to the anatomy than is the case in Otis v Ron and they were still good workers and producers as you have already noted.

From 1992 the reason that anatomically good working line dogs were not considered for showlines was purely and simply based on colour. The President of the time, Hermann Martin overnight banned grey, bicolour and black dogs from the showlines. Big mistake and, I would refer you to another post on the PDB titled “The Legacy for Hermann Martin - was it for better or worse” and you will see that I was no fan of his legacy based on what he was doing for the breed as a whole.

As this thread is about breeding I would like to say that you have still avoided a specific answer to what is a specific question. All you are doing is trying to deflect the discussion away from giving an answer. In fact, I have serious doubts as to whether you have ever bred a litter. If you have then you have learned nothing at all. If you wish to continue a reasonable discussion then just answer the question after all is from your own comments that the question arose.

Mackenzie