The GSD must SPLIT away from The Alsation! - Page 33

That's a pretty random statement and tars all with the same brush!

Sue B - I agree - as I am a novice/joe public I did not appreciate that a 'vote' could happen in this way and yes this board is only a 'minority' representation, however with regards this it needs to be a uniform/identical question asked to the clubs/judges.


George - Thank You, however, I have not had this experience in fact quite the opposite with regards both my gsds who ultimately are my much loved pets, I feel we have been supported/advised in our ownership/training and health of our dogs - it's unfotunate that this is not common place.


Liz

Hi Sue,

Your comments are very welcome, I wondered where you were

I know that this board is not the majority - bit its the place where all the discussion has started.... its certainly got to be discussed, and agreed Yes or No to go forward with EVERY ONE possible, and your circulation suggestion is the very way it can go.

Mo

Hi Mo,
Sorry for not coming in to give you my support earlier but at least I have now.

As for those who think we may not be including Joe Public in this, that is not necessarily the case. The Mr Average Joe Public perhaps not but any Joe Public who has the breed at heart would be (or at least should be) a member of a Breed Club, be it in for training purposes or even just so in order to recieve the BC GSD National Magazine as (for Tax purposes) all subscribers have to be a Breed Club Member. Therefore my suggestion that Each Club put it on their AGM Agenda would include any Mr Joe and Jane Public who care enough about the breed to have bothered to join a Breed Club. That way those who really care in the breeds future have a chance to give their input and cast their vote, as for the rest they probably dont have enough knowledge of the breed to justify having a vote.

For example just  how many Mr Joe and Ms Jane Publics know enough about the breed to make such an important decision? I am not trying to belittle anybody but as a breeder I have never, nor would I ever, consider asking Mr or Ms J Public to choose which stud dog I should use on my female. Afterall how many of them would be knowledgable enough to know which bloodlines would suit or what vices and/or virtues they are likely to carry? If they have joined a Breed Club then they have rights afforded to them for their interest and just by being involved with a Club it is likely that they would  possess a little more knowledge than the Average Joe !  

Our Club AGM Agenda's are already in the process of being copied and sent out, we had included all the recent KC Health initiatives on it so that our members can be informed of the New KC Code of Ethics they forced us all to adopt despite my letters of complaint to the KC that we should be able to consult our members first and that Our Clubs original Code of Ethics was that of the BC which involved more than was on the KC's anyway - obviously we now HAD to adopt the KC's and as the KC insisted no Club could ADD anything to their Code of Ethics without first putting it in writing for KC approval it makes the current and much more comprehensive BC Code of Ethics somewhat defunct !! We have also included the KC intention to Amend the Breed Standard and the introduction of a Health Coordinator also onto our AGM Agenda in order to inform our members of important issues effecting us all and our breed. For surely this is what being a member of a Breed Club is all about - being kept informed and being allowed to have your say.

However we hadnt included this on it. I suppose it could come under AOB at Chairmans discretion but as our Open Show is in March, should someone put it onto the BC AGM Agenda due to be held the week before our March show, we could always take a consensus of all those who attend, which usually includes all our Club members anyway.

So George Hopwood et all others who comment here,  I hope you are all giving your support to our breed by being a member of a Breed Club and if not why not, and if so , I hope your club gives you the chance to Vote and have your say.

Best Regads
Sue B

Sue you have to remember the Joe and Jane public are the reason that so many GSDs are registered with the KC.

Look at how many registered GSDs there are and tell me the pecentage of those registrations are from showline breeders................very little, so i believe what people are saying is that the very little amount of showline breeders can't expect to make such radical changes to a whole breed because we're not happy how the KC treats us or how we are allowed to show our GSDs.

Also this part you wrote below.


 For example just  how many Mr Joe and Ms Jane Publics know enough about the breed to make such an important decision? I am not trying to belittle anybody but as a breeder I have never, nor would I ever, consider asking Mr or Ms J Public to choose which stud dog I should use on my female.

I too would not like anyone to tell me what stud i should use but under these proposals to go the SV route isn't itvirtually the same?.............they dictate to you on how and who to breed your dogs to.

Son't get me wrong as i believe the K.C. is as much to blame for a lot of this too by not sticking to 1 standard and actually enforcing it at shows also for the way they accept registrations that deviate so much away from this standard that they are trying to promote when they see the ££££ that they will make from it.

Watcher
Who is advocating going down the WUSV route? Certainly not me ! All I am saying is let the breed be split into two types, since both types are so different and all it appears to be doing is causing unrest with each side argueing with the other that theres is the correct type.

So split the breed as they did with Belgium Shepherds and have the Alsatianists and The German Shepherds both being registered with the Kennell Club under their own seperate Breed. For example at the moment the breed name registered with the KC is German Shepherd (Alsatian) all I am saying is remove the (in brackets) Alsatian from the breed name and make it a Breed unto itself leaving the breed name German Shepherd as the breed it is in its own right.

Then, as for telling Mr J Public what stud dog they should use, NO I am not doing that, they would decide that for themselves when they chose the stud dog they wanted to mate their female to and when they registered their litter as GSD or Alsatian. For if the female they were breeding from was also of their own breeding then it would be at the time of mating her that they would be deciding which breed they wanted to have their pups known as.

Giving everyone their own right to choose and at the most relevant time to best suit each individual breeder all seems so straight forward and simple to me that I cant understand why others appear to have to make it to be so complicated. As I said before if the split were to go ahead it would be EVERY Breeders themselvs who would decide on which Breed their dogs should be known as. Obviously the breeders of the dam they breed from and of the Stud dog they use will from then on determine the registered breed name of the progeny. It really is that simple.

Best Regards
Sue B