Just another Sport Dog - Page 32

Please provide real life, actual examples of when "IPO routines are detrimental in many cases, when it comes to being able to do real work."

Aaykay, there would be no irritation in case "real work" would have any kind of "tested rules" in the USA.
Besides that, what do you call "real work"?
A single purpose police dog guarding the streets, a detection dog, a PPD ( whatever this is ), a herding dog - anything else?

At the end of the day it´s about temperament, hardness, courage, and drives, no matter the venue.
Everything else is training, not more, not less, and as long as insecure dogs willing to bark at an intruder, maybe even able to bite out of fear aggression ( just an example, I know there are good dogs, too ) are called "real working dog" in your country, I, too, do have problems with the interpretation of "real working" dogs.

What do you want to see in a "real working dog" ?

The will to work?
Some prey drive?
Some civil drive?
Hardness?
Courage?
Fighting drive?
The will to please?
A good nose?
Good health?
An athletic body?

That´s the description of the perfect IPO dog, and I guess that´s the description of your "perfect real working dog" - no difference in the basics - everything else = training.

I forgot to mention:
IPO dogs are NOT trained for "real life scenarios", IPO ( formerly SchH ) was invented to test the basic instincts / temperament of the dogs - IPO ( SchH dogs ) NEVER were ment to become police dogs or anything else, in its origin it´s part of the breed suitability test.
Only the weeded out SchH/IPO dogs ( lack of something ) were and are sold to police ( I am talking for Germany, not for the rest of the world ).

Oh that's an indictment on the Germans' Police K9s, that they are all 'IPO rejects' ! Surely not ???

it is the biggest mistake to think that training is all that makes the difference between IPO and police dogs

IPO tracking is long way from detection in LE as is bitework and need of environmental stability , obedience routine in IPO is about perfection which is not needit in LE

different worlds

Once again my experiences agree with Duke🤐....one last important item, a LE dog has 14-16weeks to learn all required tasks. They must keep up with the class or they are washed out. They do not have the luxury of getting stuck on an area and spending the next six months working on it; regardless of whether the reason is nerves, lack of commitment, immaturity, environmental issues, ( that's a really big one), etc.( They also don't have luxury of getting to a point that sets them back and then having to build the dog back up, recovery to adversity has to be strong trait)

You would be surprised how many dogs that work like a million dollars in known conditions, when faced with working anytime even dead of night, in new buildings or or large empty buildings, with unknown threats lurking anywhere, on treacherous surfaces; will either shut down or  become so tentative that they aren't reliable or effective. It takes a certain type of dog that has that " it" to not care about these things under stress and perform.....and what people cant( or refuse) to understand is that if you don't test for these things in breeding stock for generations you WILL not notice that you are losing that " it". And you can't train these things in given time allowed and in most cases at all ...the dogs are just lacking.

one last thing, there are some IPO sport dogs that have the " it", but folks would be surprised at how many don't and almost all IPO show dogs don't have "it" anymore. That's why you don't see them or very seldom....plain and simple.

Hey, but that's just my experiences.

This is why environmental confidence is so important to me.

@ Gustav   

 

 

Duke, Gustav -  

I do think there a difference between the way we practiced the old SchH and IPO today. Back then we interpreted SchH exactly as the name suggests. A real time personal protection dog, Therefore we took our dog outside the routine to every thinkable situation and environment. A top dog wood be a dog that is utterly dedicated to protect his handler/owner when and where ever. So imo a different approach to virtually the same routine will lead to a different type of dog at the end.