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by Jeff Oehlsen on 30 December 2010 - 21:12
Deleted by Moderator. You were repeatedly told to clean up your language or posts would be deleted.
by ramgsd on 30 December 2010 - 22:12
Quote: "Like the GSD is doing so well. Now we have the "Sch line" mal discussions and how it is ruining the breed. LOL"
Jeff are you just being an ass who just wants to stir the pot? The statement was " Not ever working a dog in defense, and then breeding on him will ruin the breed very quickly."
No one mentioned Schutzhund. It was pointing out that not making sure that all the qualities are there in a GSD and using him for stud could cause you to loose certain attributes.
Quote; "come and see for yourself a dog that is not afraid of you, and will bite the f**k out of you in "playmode".
Jeff, me in a suit with a dog that is in "playmode" that "isn't afraid of me" Soon will learn why he should be afraid of me, and if he's a good one (doesn't run) will no longer be biting in PLAYMODE. Remember we've now stepped outof the bounds of training the routine.
Jeff everyone knows that you are a pot stirer that thinks MALS are the only real dogs and the Ringsport is the end all be all. Why aren't you on the Mal section or a ring forum? Is it because they all know how full of crap you are? I say that with all fondness. I think you would be a hoot to hang out with. I really do hope you make it to Michigan one day.
I'm done with this thread. I can no longer feed the troll.
Jeff are you just being an ass who just wants to stir the pot? The statement was " Not ever working a dog in defense, and then breeding on him will ruin the breed very quickly."
No one mentioned Schutzhund. It was pointing out that not making sure that all the qualities are there in a GSD and using him for stud could cause you to loose certain attributes.
Quote; "come and see for yourself a dog that is not afraid of you, and will bite the f**k out of you in "playmode".
Jeff, me in a suit with a dog that is in "playmode" that "isn't afraid of me" Soon will learn why he should be afraid of me, and if he's a good one (doesn't run) will no longer be biting in PLAYMODE. Remember we've now stepped outof the bounds of training the routine.
Jeff everyone knows that you are a pot stirer that thinks MALS are the only real dogs and the Ringsport is the end all be all. Why aren't you on the Mal section or a ring forum? Is it because they all know how full of crap you are? I say that with all fondness. I think you would be a hoot to hang out with. I really do hope you make it to Michigan one day.
I'm done with this thread. I can no longer feed the troll.
by SportySchGuy on 30 December 2010 - 22:12
"Jeff, me in a suit with a dog that is in "playmode" that "isn't afraid of me" Soon will learn why he should be afraid of me, and if he's a good one (doesn't run) will no longer be biting in PLAYMODE. Remember we've now stepped outof the bounds of training the routine."
HELL YEAH!
I have 1 mal, 1 Dutchie and 5 GSDs. You would not try to catch 4 of them with a sleeve... and in the suit you have to know what you are doing or you are gonna get hurt....believe me LOL.
One of the hardest biting dogs I ever took bites from was a Mal and he was not anywhere close to being in defense. I did see him a couple times in defense and no way I was going to take a bite from him in that mode....whole nuther ballgame! Still he would prob break your arm without a sleeve in "play mode".
Dogs are such individuals and you guys are painting with such broad strokes.
HELL YEAH!
I have 1 mal, 1 Dutchie and 5 GSDs. You would not try to catch 4 of them with a sleeve... and in the suit you have to know what you are doing or you are gonna get hurt....believe me LOL.
One of the hardest biting dogs I ever took bites from was a Mal and he was not anywhere close to being in defense. I did see him a couple times in defense and no way I was going to take a bite from him in that mode....whole nuther ballgame! Still he would prob break your arm without a sleeve in "play mode".
Dogs are such individuals and you guys are painting with such broad strokes.
by darylehret on 31 December 2010 - 00:12
But hey, the things said make ya think, and rethink. We get in our own routines with our training ideas and take a lot for granted. From the perspective of different sports, the perspective of different breeds, of individual dogs, and individual training styles, we can learn a lot if we don't get overly stubborn about what we think we know.
by Slamdunc on 31 December 2010 - 01:12
Daryl,
That is probably your best post ever, very true.
Jim
That is probably your best post ever, very true.
Jim
by OGBS on 31 December 2010 - 02:12
I was just thinking the same thing.
Great post Daryl!
I hope everyone has a Happy New Year!
Great post Daryl!
I hope everyone has a Happy New Year!
by sable59 on 31 December 2010 - 02:12
i don't train sch. have never and probably never will. love to watch and if a club was close i probably pick a dog and have some fun. having said that,i train ppd and psd. together me and my partner have in the last 3 years put out either 13 or 14 dogs and bitches for sec. ppd or psd's. one breeding all males are sold before they are born. that is what slamdunk is talking about. a-- kicking dogs!!!
by Jeff Oehlsen on 31 December 2010 - 04:12
That was a good post Daryl. That is the point of discussion although sometimes not so pretty there are things to learn all the time.
Quote: Jeff, me in a suit
You missed the point. You don't get a suit so you can be protected. You want to put the fear of God into a dog, but you want to be protected while you do it. Take the suit off and see where the fear of God lands.
Everybody is a tough guy with a suit or a sleeve, where they are protected. Yet people like you blather on about "real" and "street".
Quote: One of the hardest biting dogs I ever took bites from was a Mal and he was not anywhere close to being in defense.
That is the thing that I don't get how people don't understand. Steve Garvin's dog Bogan has a crushing bite. His son, who I cannot remember his name, was at a trial I was at and made the decoy yelp on a defense of handler. He was just biting, not worried at all. Rich Damico's dog if I remember correctly.
Quote: Jeff, me in a suit
You missed the point. You don't get a suit so you can be protected. You want to put the fear of God into a dog, but you want to be protected while you do it. Take the suit off and see where the fear of God lands.
Everybody is a tough guy with a suit or a sleeve, where they are protected. Yet people like you blather on about "real" and "street".
Quote: One of the hardest biting dogs I ever took bites from was a Mal and he was not anywhere close to being in defense.
That is the thing that I don't get how people don't understand. Steve Garvin's dog Bogan has a crushing bite. His son, who I cannot remember his name, was at a trial I was at and made the decoy yelp on a defense of handler. He was just biting, not worried at all. Rich Damico's dog if I remember correctly.
by Jeff Oehlsen on 31 December 2010 - 04:12
Quote: Jeff everyone knows that you are a pot stirer that thinks MALS are the only real dogs and the Ringsport is the end all be all.
I have two Mals, and 5 GSD's. Ooooops, I guess you only pay attention to what you want to pay attention to.
Pot stirrer. That is what makes great chili, pot stirring. You just say you are done, because you have weak arguments about what a dog is. You say this, I reply, and crap, I am right. Then you start to flail, and say silly stuff like Mals are the only real dogs. HA HA.
Ringsport, like Mondio are good tests of a dog. Look at the BR dogs. What if they had GSD's out there and only bred the GSD's that worked the way they wanted ?? The breed would be better off than it is now, with Sch as the measure of the dog.
Quote: Why aren't you on the Mal section or a ring forum? Is it because they all know how full of crap you are?
Yes, that must be what it is. You lose focus on what is important when you throw mud. There is not many good discussions on that forum. I am here to make you think. I am here to try and influence you to stop thinking about real and silly ******* like being able to put the fear of God into a dog, while you wear a suit. I am here to dispel all the silly myths, and make people think on their own. Sometimes that works. Sometimes people actually want to see what their dog will look like without spinning them up in the bark and hold. Shaping what they look like. I am curious to see what Esko's B&H will look like. All I want is for them to bark and not bite. How it looks is of no importance to me.
Go and look at Buko's B&H. it is out there somewhere. Sch people usually have a special moment alone after they watch his B&H. No whipping or spinning was done. It is all just him.
I have two Mals, and 5 GSD's. Ooooops, I guess you only pay attention to what you want to pay attention to.
Pot stirrer. That is what makes great chili, pot stirring. You just say you are done, because you have weak arguments about what a dog is. You say this, I reply, and crap, I am right. Then you start to flail, and say silly stuff like Mals are the only real dogs. HA HA.
Ringsport, like Mondio are good tests of a dog. Look at the BR dogs. What if they had GSD's out there and only bred the GSD's that worked the way they wanted ?? The breed would be better off than it is now, with Sch as the measure of the dog.
Quote: Why aren't you on the Mal section or a ring forum? Is it because they all know how full of crap you are?
Yes, that must be what it is. You lose focus on what is important when you throw mud. There is not many good discussions on that forum. I am here to make you think. I am here to try and influence you to stop thinking about real and silly ******* like being able to put the fear of God into a dog, while you wear a suit. I am here to dispel all the silly myths, and make people think on their own. Sometimes that works. Sometimes people actually want to see what their dog will look like without spinning them up in the bark and hold. Shaping what they look like. I am curious to see what Esko's B&H will look like. All I want is for them to bark and not bite. How it looks is of no importance to me.
Go and look at Buko's B&H. it is out there somewhere. Sch people usually have a special moment alone after they watch his B&H. No whipping or spinning was done. It is all just him.
by Don Corleone on 31 December 2010 - 04:12
Jeff, so every dog is the same and they all bring total prey to the table and every dog has to have the fear of God put into them? Hmmm, interesting.
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